06-23-2016, 12:54 PM
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#281
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: wearing raccoons for boots
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Who do I send my letter too?
From the mothers testimony today; if she could go back in time and do something differently, she would. The logical follow up questions are 'What would you do differently? And how are you dealing with your surviving children in regards to medical care?'
Last edited by puffnstuff; 06-23-2016 at 01:00 PM.
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06-23-2016, 01:08 PM
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#282
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Honestly, the way they've gone about this since their conviction demonstrates to me that they're still a huge risk to their surviving children.
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06-23-2016, 01:28 PM
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#283
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubecube
Honestly, the way they've gone about this since their conviction demonstrates to me that they're still a huge risk to their surviving children.
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Wait... they've been convicted and they're allowed to keep looking after their other kids? How is this a thing?
Disclaimer: I haven't been paying attention to this trial (too depressing) and know almost nothing about family law (same reason).
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06-23-2016, 01:30 PM
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#284
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Wait... they've been convicted and they're allowed to keep looking after their other kids? How is this a thing?
Disclaimer: I haven't been paying attention to this trial (too depressing) and know almost nothing about family law (same reason).
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No, the kids have been living with their aunt from what I understand. I'm just saying if they give the kids back after the conviction, I have no faith that these people have learned anything from this experience.
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06-23-2016, 02:02 PM
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#285
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tete
I don't get why the media has been giving this family airtime. They don't seem to get it - it's not about not vaccinating - it's the fact that their 19 month old child had NEVER seen a doctor. Never. Even the birth, it was a "freebirth" with no licenced doctor or midwife attending (though their birth attendant apparently was a nurse, but still). I suspect if they had taken their child to the doctor at least for a few well child visits, the verdict would have been different, but the blatant thumbing of their noses at the medical system played a lot into the verdict.
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Outside of not vaccinating I'm not sure that that's unreasonable. For the most part we are a bunch of hypochondriacs with babies. They really do outside of a few things take care of themselves.
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06-23-2016, 02:03 PM
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#286
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rubecube
Honestly, the way they've gone about this since their conviction demonstrates to me that they're still a huge risk to their surviving children.
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To me this is the key part of the trial. If one of their kids get sick what will they do next time?
Because taking away the kids from what are loving but idiotic parents will do some damage to them. The question is is this damage greater than the risk of harm from having poor/no medical care.
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06-23-2016, 02:22 PM
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#287
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: sector 7G
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I like this judge:
Valerie Fortney @ValFortney 1m1 minute ago
Judge says public opinion, social media or otherwise, is like conducting a trial "by Cross Country Checkup."
Valerie Fortney @ValFortney 1m1 minute ago
Judge notes the letters were generated by Stephans' Facebook page. Letters from people who don't know them are irrelevant, he says.
Valerie Fortney @ValFortney 3m3 minutes ago
Stephan sentencing hearing resumes. Judge announces he cannot admit the 500 letters of support as part of the hearing.
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06-24-2016, 01:59 PM
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#288
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: sector 7G
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Verdict at 2pm.
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06-24-2016, 02:00 PM
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#289
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: sector 7G
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Valerie Fortney @ValFortney 18s18 seconds ago
Judge's verdict not likely for several more minutes; accused aren't here yet, neither is defence lawyer.
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06-24-2016, 02:10 PM
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#290
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Apartment 5A
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Bill Graveland @BillGraveland
David and Collet Stephan given a heroes welcome as they arrived at the Lethbridge courthouse prior to their sentencing.
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06-24-2016, 02:14 PM
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#291
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: sector 7G
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Valerie Fortney @ValFortney 2m2 minutes ago
I checked Stephans' new website before court; says David was "targeted" and "profiled" by fed gov't before Ezekiel's death.
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06-24-2016, 02:16 PM
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#292
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First Line Centre
Join Date: May 2012
Location: The Kilt & Caber
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I can't f-ing stand these two. I hope it a stiff penalty, as I can't imagine how inflating it would be to the community of people that support them if they got a slap on the wrist. For the whole 'natural remedy' community, for that matter.
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06-24-2016, 02:18 PM
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#293
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Quote:
Originally Posted by habernac
Valerie Fortney @ValFortney 2m2 minutes ago
I checked Stephans' new website before court; says David was "targeted" and "profiled" by fed gov't before Ezekiel's death.
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Yep, no sympathy. Toss the book at them.
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06-24-2016, 02:32 PM
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#294
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KelVarnsen
Bill Graveland @BillGraveland
David and Collet Stephan given a heroes welcome as they arrived at the Lethbridge courthouse prior to their sentencing.
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They killed their own child through neglect. What is wrong with people?
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06-24-2016, 02:34 PM
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#295
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First Line Centre
Join Date: May 2012
Location: The Kilt & Caber
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For those who can't follow along on Twitter:
Valerie Fortney @ValFortney 8m8 minutes ago
Judge says he will give his decision orally; publishing a written version later today for court and the public.
Valerie Fortney @ValFortney 7m7 minutes ago
Judge: Reviewing the jury's decision, the verdict. Purpose of Sect 215 of Criminal Code to establish and uphold personal standards of care.
Valerie Fortney @ValFortney 7m7 minutes ago
Judge: duty of jurors is to assess and consider only evidence in the case and then reach decision according to the law.
Valerie Fortney @ValFortney 6m6 minutes ago
Judge: In making its decision, a jury and each individual juror must do so without sympathy, prejudice and without fear.
Valerie Fortney @ValFortney 5m5 minutes ago
Judge: each juror agreed beyond reasonable doubt both parents' actions contributed significantly to risk of danger to Ezekiel's life.
Valerie Fortney @ValFortney 5m5 minutes ago
Judge: jurors agreed parents' actions breached community's standard of personal care.
Judge: trial is about moral blameworthy conduct that put Ezekiel's life at risk, not a debate on other issues. "He could have lived."
Valerie Fortney @ValFortney 1m1 minute ago
Judge has mentioned Ezekiel by name more than 10 times already and he is just beginning.
Valerie Fortney @ValFortney 1m1 minute ago
Judge: acknowledges loving, caring parents; both were aware of Ezekiel's condition. Made decisions together.
Valerie Fortney @ValFortney 9s9 seconds ago
Judge: Ezekiel was showing several symptoms, including trouble breathing. Parents were near walk-in clinic but didn't take child in.
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06-24-2016, 02:36 PM
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#296
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Springfield
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I hope he throws the book at these two, they might as well have murdered the kid.
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06-24-2016, 02:36 PM
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#297
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyah
For those who can't follow along on Twitter:
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http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/...rom-meningitis
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06-24-2016, 02:38 PM
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#298
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First Line Centre
Join Date: May 2012
Location: The Kilt & Caber
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Well that makes things easier!
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06-24-2016, 02:41 PM
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#299
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Some of those tweets are horrifying. How do you let that happen to your own son and do nothing?
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06-24-2016, 02:42 PM
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#300
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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Valerie Fortney
@ValFortney
Judge: after that, they went shopping at Superstore. Walk-in clinic was right there.
####ing animals.
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