New poll: Harper - Conservatives headed for third place next election?

[burn_this_city]

I don't disagree with bombing Da'esh, their leader should still be rotting in an Iraqi prison. I just felt saying it's the worst since WW2 ignores far greater human tragedies that have happened since.

[killer_carlson]

there have been other human tragedies that have taken more lives, and that reached depths of depravity.

ISIS has milinarianistic aspects to it - the creating of a new world order, third reich etc - that crosses international borders and threatens every corner of the planet. It adds this with the same depravity that the world witnessed in Cambodia, Somolia, Congo, and other instances of the worst parts of humanity.

I have lost a lot of respect for Liberal MPs who I thought had more sense than to support Trudeau on his ridiculous stance on the ISIS mission. Trudeau is a muppet, but I thought some of his colleagues had more sense than to stand up and applaud his nonsense.

[SebC]

Yeah, I'm with Harper on this one. I still don't like him, but on this issue agree with him. Not really sure what Trudeau is thinking.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by SebC

Not really sure what Trudeau is thinking.

The last Iraq war, if I had to guess.

[FlamesAddiction]

I see nothing wrong with Trudeau wanting to keep Canada in a strictly humanitarian role in Iraq/Syria.

Personally, I would like to see us focusing on taking in more refugees and helping Turkey deal with the impending humanitarian crisis there. The US and France do not need us to do combat missions.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I see nothing wrong with Trudeau wanting to keep Canada in a strictly humanitarian role in Iraq/Syria.

Personally, I would like to see us focusing on taking in more refugees and helping Turkey deal with the impending humanitarian crisis there. The US and France do not need us to do combat missions.

Do you think we should disband our military?

Serious question.

If you are not prepared to stand up against the worst parts of humanity, is there any need for you to have an army?

[Manhattanboy]

I would like to punch Justin Trudeau in the mouth.

[Jets4Life]

The possibility of Justin Trudeau becoming Prime Minister scares me...

[flylock shox]

This is a tough issue.

On the one hand, the world has to stand up against crap like ISIS.

On the other, the world also needs some semblance of order, including respect for territorial integrity. Plus this is a mess the US made and should own.

So I could be persuaded either way, but neither Harper nor Trudeau makes a great case. Both seem to oversimplify the problem for political reasons.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I would like to punch Justin Trudeau in the mouth.

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

The possibility of Justin Trudeau becoming Prime Minister scares me...

Oh the drama.

Why should Canada sign onto a mission that is more likely to result in the loss of more civilian lives than ISIS fighters? Sounds more like a recipe to create more ISIS supporters.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Oh the drama.

Why should Canada sign onto a mission that is more likely to result in the loss of more civilian lives than ISIS fighters? Sounds more like a recipe to create more ISIS supporters.

You're right.

Trudeau would simply like to sit down and have tea with the ISIL leadership and politely ask them to stop beheading innocent Westerners. That should work out quite well...right?

[starseed]

Originally Posted by transplant99

You're right.

Trudeau would simply like to sit down and have tea with the ISIL leadership and politely ask them to stop beheading innocent Westerners. That should work out quite well...right?

You're right.

Harper would simply like to nuke the entire middle east to eradicate all violence. That should work out quite well...right?


Finally! A brand of internet discussion techniques that I can get behind!

[TKB]

Isis needs to be stopped, the longer they are given to slaughter others the sooner they will be knocking on our doorsteps. Case in point, Australia.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I'm inclined to let the Americans fix the mess they started with their illegal war back in 2003. Canada wasn't involved then and it was arguably the smartest foreign policy decision in the countries history. Can you imagine if even 500 Canadians died in that sham? The party that sent them to die to enrich Halliburton shareholders would be finished politically for decades, at least.

Defeating ISIS requires boots on the ground, that much seems clear. The only countries that should contribute to that are the countries that cause the mess in the first place (US and UK primarily) and the countries that ISIS could take over (Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iran), which of course will never happen no matter how much they claim to be against ISIS. Canada did pretty much nothing to cause this situation. Shouldn't commit troops to die to stop it.

Air strikes are fine but we all know air strikes will not be enough. Harper needs to clearly lay out no Canadian troops will be involved beyond the air, because if troops do get involved it's potential political suicide. Especially since defeating ISIS accomplishes nothing except setting the table for the next extremist group to take their place. That ideology isn't going away any time soon.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by starseed

You're right.

Harper would simply like to nuke the entire middle east to eradicate all violence. That should work out quite well...right?


Finally! A brand of internet discussion techniques that I can get behind!

Hmmm...not sure that's at all correct, in fact I know it really is just nonsense and factually incorrect.

However, I do know that Monsiuer Trudeau suggests that diplomacy is the the course of action he would take. Again, beyond him not getting a seat at the table in any scenario "talks" would include, it also will never ever work. They don't care about diplomacy, they don't care about human life, and they sure as hell don't care what Canada thinks about it.

So beyond a military response,what do you or anyone believing in Trudeau suggest be done?

[opendoor]

How can anyone possibly doubt Harper's opinions on military intervention in the Middle East? He nailed it in 2003:

In my judgment Canada will eventually join with the allied coalition if war on Iraq comes to pass. The government will join, notwithstanding its failure to prepare, its neglect in co-operating with its allies, or its inability to contribute. In the end it will join out of the necessity created by a pattern of uncertainty and indecision. It will not join as a leader but unnoticed at the back of the parade.

We should have been there shoulder to shoulder with our allies. Our concern is the instability of our government as an ally. We are playing again with national and global security matters.

It [referring to calling a Minister "Idiot"] was probably not an appropriate term, but we support the war effort and believe we should be supporting our troops and our allies and be there with them doing everything necessary to win

Canada remains alienated from its allies, shut out of the reconstruction process to some degree, unable to influence events. There is no upside to the position Canada took [to stay out of the Iraq war].

There's a case to be made for Canada's participation but he sure as hell isn't making it. He's basically just recycling the same crappy rhetoric from over a decade ago that advocated plunging our country into a ridiculous war so we wouldn't be "unnoticed at the back of the parade".

[Jacks]

“Rather than, you know, trying to whip out our CF-18s and show them how big they are.”

Being interviewed by Don Newman about a serious world crisis and military intervention. Hmmm ... what would be an appropriate thing to say.

How about a dick or fart joke .

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Do you think we should disband our military?

Serious question.

If you are not prepared to stand up against the worst parts of humanity, is there any need for you to have an army?

Disband the military? Of course not. No one is better equipped to provide on the ground humanitarian support. Canada has broad capabilities beyond just combat.

We just don't need to be doing token combat missions to help. The U.S., France and Britain are enough chefs in the kitchen.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I see nothing wrong with Trudeau wanting to keep Canada in a strictly humanitarian role in Iraq/Syria.

I would disagree with Trudeau on that point, but could at least respect his opinion. As noted though, it was his need to behave like a grade school student and make a dick joke that made him look like a moron. And this guy thinks he could hack it as a diplomatic leader?

[White Out 403]

conservatives utter contempt for Trudeau only makes me like him more. I can't wait for the liberals to be elected in power and watch the fox news like reactions up here. Should be very entertaining.