EDIT:WHOOPS Fan 960 Speculates Flames and Mason Raymond Have Agreed to a Deal

[Inferno099]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I don't care about the radio guys... I just don't want any x-Canucks on the team....

Not really a fan of this if it occurs;
however as much as I hate the Canucks; each player has to be looked at individually - one of a lot our Flames favourites from 2004 - Gelinas - played about 3.5-4 seasons for them. If there are ex-Canucks that are hard working, good, heart&soul team guys - I'd welcome them to the Flames.....

there's just not a lot of those type available among all the divers they have.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I see your point and generally agree with it.

However i have no problem with fans laying pressure on the team about a first line option. In the past 20 years there have been many instances of stajan, shantz, Wilm, etc as first line solutions. Fans are anxious and i dont blame them.

Any efforts to acquire a short-term #1 centre will be counter to the long-term re-build that Flames fans have also been calling for.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Any efforts to acquire a short-term #1 centre will be counter to the long-term re-build that Flames fans have also been calling for.

Why is that? Should we avoid being decent?

[Poe969]

yes, we should avoid being "decent". Being decent has got us no where fast. Either be good or be bad. The crappy thing is that we'll have to be bad before we get good.

Being decent will get us 9th place and a crappy pick (again)

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Why is that? Should we avoid being decent?

A short term #1 Centre is not going to make the Flames a contender. Why spend the salary. They are better off bringing in Veterans who are solid leaders.

Not to mention, a Short term #1 Centre will cost the Flames Assets to acquire (draft picks and prospects).

[FlameZilla]

While I wouldn't mind picking him up, I just don't see where he fits in. We have so much depth at LW!

Cammalleri
Glenncross
Galliardi
Baertschi
Hudler
Horak
Bouma

Byron
Ferland
Hanowski
Agostino

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Why is that? Should we avoid being decent?

Certainly not. But the cost of "being decent" in the short term must at this stage be weighed against the future of the team. I contend that the price to be competitive now is likely the sacrifice of prospects and picks that are more valuable to the Flames in the course of the next 3–5 years. There is not really enough value on the current roster by which to improve in the short term.

[MikeMc]

Message board posters and basement bloggers putting down / complaining about local sports media. Weird.

If you don't like the show/station then don't listen. Pretty simple.

[dammage79]

Apparently it's not a rebuild unless a team gets many top 6 picks over the span of a few years. I'd be one one P/O'ed fan if my team didn't try to get better every year instead of somewhat intentionally plummeting through the standings every single year to get the top pick.


I do not believe a re-build HAS to be long term to be done right.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I applaud their clear thinking on that one.

Also, you take issue with Francis, Boomer, Walker etc...who would you like to see in their place? Serious question.

Put me in the camp that was a huge Mike Richards fan.

The FAN was the best when Richards was in the morning and Kerr was in the afternoon.

[dustygoon]

ah crud....posted in wrong thread. Need to stop trying to do work at same time

[Phaneuf_Rules]

I second MikeMC drop the Fan 960 bashing.

On the actual possibility of Mason, for the right price I would give any 26 - 29 year old a chance here

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

That's kind of a weird question. Maybe anyone else who is more professional and less sensitive to well deserved criticism? I would imagine that profile would fit a high number of qualified people, and the fact that I don't know any of them specifically by name does not in any way diminish the fact that Walker's and Boomer's antics in several instances have been juvenile.

They're radio personalities everyone.....expectations are too high around here, they are pundits and the fact that we are spending so much time talking about them good or bad is a plus for them.

There are clearly a lot of people who like them and they are no better or worse than other cities personalities IMO....second thought, there are some better but there are definitely a lot that are worse.

To be clear...I am only OK with them, scared of what may come next if they were gone to be honest.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

That's kind of a weird question. Maybe anyone else who is more professional and less sensitive to well deserved criticism? I would imagine that profile would fit a high number of qualified people, and the fact that I don't know any of them specifically by name does not in any way diminish the fact that Walker's and Boomer's antics in several instances have been juvenile.

Yeah, I suppose it was a weird question. I was just curious if there are other local or maybe other national personalities that might be a better fit here.

Thanks for responding to his question though.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Yeah, I suppose it was a weird question. I was just curious if there are other local or maybe other national personalities that might be a better fit here.

Thanks for responding to his question though.

There is no shortage of potential morning/afternoon sports personalities in this country.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Any efforts to acquire a short-term #1 centre will be counter to the long-term re-build that Flames fans have also been calling for.

Much the same way that brining in higher quality third and fourth line players for2 to 3 year contracts will do.

If you can increase the quality of talent on the team, in whatever role, you do it. What you do not do is sign aging players to contract amounts that price them out of the market for their role as they age. That is a more effective rebuild model than the scorched earth fantasy hockey model.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

There is no shortage of potential morning/afternoon sports personalities in this country.

Clearly there is a shortage AVAILABLE or we wouldn't have had Bryn Griffiths here....and Edmonton would have some better talent as well for that matter.

In any case it's a circular argument.....Somebody was saying they liked Steinberg and I can't handle him for more than 20 mins....other people actually like Jock Wilson which I can't understand at all.

Edit:I am adding to the waste of time arguing over personal opinions....apologies for wasting interbytes.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Apparently it's not a rebuild unless a team gets many top 6 picks over the span of a few years. I'd be one one P/O'ed fan if my team didn't try to get better every year instead of somewhat intentionally plummeting through the standings every single year to get the top pick.


I do not believe a re-build HAS to be long term to be done right.

Getting better each year and doing a rebuild properly are not mutually exclusive like some posters are inferring. The thing to keep in mind is that we have the opportunity to 'take it easy' instead of fighting for the shiniest piece of crap.

If a good fit/deal isn't there, there's no reason to force it.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Anduril

Getting better each year and doing a rebuild properly are not mutually exclusive like some posters are inferring. The thing to keep in mind is that we have the opportunity to 'take it easy' instead of fighting for the shiniest piece of crap.

If a good fit/deal isn't there, there's no reason to force it.

Oh I agree. But this idea of the Flames wanting to suck for a few years is off base for me. I'm not criticizing or demeaning others opinions, just saying I disagree with the sentiment. The right moves will get the Flames back into contention faster than some people expect.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Certainly not. But the cost of "being decent" in the short term must at this stage be weighed against the future of the team. I contend that the price to be competitive now is likely the sacrifice of prospects and picks that are more valuable to the Flames in the course of the next 3–5 years. There is not really enough value on the current roster by which to improve in the short term.

If it only costs money to sign a UFA for 3 years or so, I don't understand how that hurts the rebuild. Unless of course you want to finish lower down