Dreger: Kiprusoff to not move, retire at end of the season

[Brannigans Law]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

The thing is, he's forfeiting that compensation by retiring. So the Flames save next year's salary, and more importantly, next year's cap hit.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It's not crazy at all

I see where you're coming from but I'm almost certain he won't play another minute next season.

I've already said that I also expect Kipper to retire and with that in mind I don't have a big problem with whats going on. He's earned the right to retire here this year if he wants and I'm quite alright with that. If he infact retires.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by JayP

Hmm, let's do some math here - the draft was around 9 months ago. Kipper would've had no idea he was having a baby. That changes a thing or two, does it not? There is NO assurance that he wouldn't want a trade so why is it ridiculous to suggest?

Not ridiculous. Just highly speculative.

Originally Posted by JayP

I'm disgusted by the idiots that feel they have a personal connection to these players and get angry at rational thinking. If Kipper doesn't owe us a damn thing (as you claim), why the hell should I care about him?

Because he is a person?

Originally Posted by JayP

Think about that for a second - he doesn't owe the fans or team jack according to you, but we should allegedly not care about setting the team up for the future to make him happy.

I don't need to think very hard about this. It's a hockey team. It is an entertainment venue. The Flames may be my favourite team, but if the staff members make decisions for their own personal well being and that of their family that might in turn "harm" the team, then it behooves me to respect that. And what kind of harm are we talking about here? At best, an additional second round pick. Kiprusoff's decision here is little more than a wrinkle—a speed bump even on the hockey ops side of things.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Kipper can retire and hold his head up high knowing that he gave every ounce for this team.

And the Flames can also hold their head up high for honouring Kipper's decision and not trade him off for a crappy draft choice or make him retire now to save a few dollars. The last few Kipper starts at home should be a celebration.

Treating players right is good for the organization after all the abuse it's taken over the last few months.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Wronskian

JermainFranklin ‏@TSNJFranklin 23s
Kiprusoff is not on the ice yet... perhaps his mind isn't completely made up just yet... Interesting #Flames #Oilers tonight

Does Kipper read CP

Optional skate, and he isn't playing tonight, so he's taking the morning off. Go into hiding so he doesn't have to talk to media.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Just woke up and saw this. I honestly don't know what to think. But it does seem kinda selfish.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by Nsd1

I hope he doesn't get traded. Seeing kipper is a leafs jersey would be the icing on the cake for this disasterous season.

Reading over tweets and stuff, it doesn't state anywhere that he's refusing to be traded. Dregers tweet says that he expects to still be a flame and that be will retire at season end. The flames can trade him anywhere, if he doesn't report it's between him and his new team.

The fact the kippers agents even talked with leafs management show that he would at least entertain a trade. But I think he told them honestly that his head and heart are no longer in the game and he would not be able to help in their playoff run.

Why? all our guys end up in Leafs silks eventually anyways.

Joe, Killer, Roberts, Dion, etc.

[CSharp]

I'm pretty happy with Kipper's decision to retire as a Flames. Probably the best Flames goalie ever. I also hate to see him wear anything but a Flames Jersey in the NHL.

[The Goon]

Originally Posted by Wronskian

JermainFranklin ‏@TSNJFranklin 23s
Kiprusoff is not on the ice yet... perhaps his mind isn't completely made up just yet... Interesting #Flames #Oilers tonight

Does Kipper read CP

Kipper's reading this thread over my shoulder at my house. We're having a laugh and a smoke.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Buff

Optional skate, and he isn't playing tonight, so he's taking the morning off. Go into hiding so he doesn't have to talk to media.

...or dodge flying empty beer bottles and rotten food, compements of so many vitriolic fans.

[Brannigans Law]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

...or dodge flying empty beer bottles and rotten food, compements of so many vitriolic fans.

Give it a rest.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by photon

But again, why not wait to see if he actually does play next season (and the reasons) and react based on what really happens rather than just rumour and hearsay?

What are you, some kind of level-head? Rumour! Hearsay! Innuendo! Bargle bargle bargle! Some guy somewhere said something unconfirmed, and I DEMAND ANSWERS!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

...or dodge flying empty beer bottles and rotten food, compements of so many vitriolic fans.

Come on man you are being as extreme as you claim the people you are arguing with. It's a fan forum and I don't believe questioning Kipper for this is aking to throwing rotten food at him. Just because a couple fans are on the extreme side there are others such as myself that see both sides here and are at peace either way this goes.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by JayP

Hmm, let's do some math here - the draft was around 9 months ago. Kipper would've had no idea he was having a baby. That changes a thing or two, does it not? There is NO assurance that he wouldn't want a trade so why is it ridiculous to suggest?

I'm disgusted by the idiots that feel they have a personal connection to these players and get angry at rational thinking. If Kipper doesn't owe us a damn thing (as you claim), why the hell should I care about him? Think about that for a second - he doesn't owe the fans or team jack according to you, but we should allegedly not care about setting the team up for the future to make him happy.

Good to know you are the "rational thinker" in all this. I wasn't sure where else others could have formed a differing opinion without knowing who was rational and who wasn't.

LOL...now a Kiprusoff return was the make or break of setting up the future?

Off the deep end man...way off.

[Weiser Wonder]

That's cool. He deserves to retire how he wants.

That said, he shouldn't start another road game. He should just be given a few more home starts for the fans. Give the playing time to someone who has something to play for.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Not ridiculous. Just highly speculative.

It isn't with any other player. It's completely reasonable to ask the question - there were no family issues in the summer, he was coming off a great season, and the organization knew he was retiring after this year (something other teams wouldn't know). It was the perfect opportunity to sell high. A storybook ending of him retiring in Calgary is nice, but this team isn't in any position to worry about that sort of thing.

Because he is a person?

Yet allegedly he doesn't owe the fans (all people too) who've supported him anything.

I don't need to think very hard about this. It's a hockey team. It is an entertainment venue. The Flames may be my favourite team, but if the staff members make decisions for their own personal well being and that of their family that might in turn "harm" the team, then it behooves me to respect that. And what kind of harm are we talking about here? At best, an additional second round pick. Kiprusoff's decision here is little more than a wrinkle—a speed bump even on the hockey ops side of things.

The problem is I'm not talking about Kipper's decision now - I made zero reference to it in my post. Him deciding to stay and retire now is probably at the cost of a low draft pick. I do have an exception to you flipping out at the mere suggestion that the Flames should've explored moving him in the off-season. There's no reason that he shouldn't have been moved after his NTC expired and before the season started.

[Kaine]

Said it before in the other thread yesterday but I would have been far more heartbroken to see Kipper moved than I was Iggy, and I love Iggy. Kipper has been the workhorse of this franchise for the past decade, without him we don't make the playoffs in 2004 and unlikely in any season since. Proud to have him retire a Flame if that is his wish.

Some of you flying off the handle that he won't agree to be moved so we can get back some picks? Honestly your going to throw the unsung face of the franchise under the bus because of a potential 3rd round pick give or take lost? Give your heads a shake.

[GGG]

I do think that the family reason for not wanting to go isn't justified. When you get paid millions of dollars to do a job it comes with sacrifices. One of those is not seeing your family when you want to. It is part of the job. Plenty of people on tough rotations that don't get to see their family as much as they would like. And with the money they have they could easily all move to Toronto for the next 3 months and hire a private tutor for the older kid to get them finished their school year. So to me there were plenty of ways to deal with the family situation that would have allowed him to go Toronto. At some level of Salary you are expect to make sacrifices. I believe that this is one of them.

All of that said I don't hold it against Kipper. He was a great goalie for us and was the reason we had hope in any game we were playing and we don't have to watch him make the leafs better in the playoffs. That would have been tough to stomach. In the end its a second round pick that would have been nice. For me this one blemish at the end of his career does nothing to take away from his great contributions from the team.

I would perfer he retire now rather than wait until the end of the season as I think having more roster room for young guys. I don't think we should play him again until the end of the season. If he does stay with the team only give him the last home game against anaheim.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Good to know you are the "rational thinker" in all this. I wasn't sure where else others could have formed a differing opinion without knowing who was rational and who wasn't.

LOL...now a Kiprusoff return was the make or break of setting up the future?

Off the deep end man...way off.

LOL read my posts you clown. Everything I've said is about trading him last summer. Which, allegedly, shouldn't have happened either.

Pretty funny how you went on and on about how Iginla had every right to screw the Flames because it was his contractual right, but now blindly support the guy without that contractual right too. You can't have it both ways.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

. And what kind of harm are we talking about here? At best, an additional second round pick. Kiprusoff's decision here is little more than a wrinkle—a speed bump even on the hockey ops side of things.

I don't think this or a 2nd makes or breaks the Flames going forward but when did 2nd round picks become so meaningless?

Kipprusoff has been great for the Flames the past 10 years but a 2nd or 3rd round pick helps the team more than having Kipprusoff for the last 14 games (and even for all of next season0.

[longsuffering]

Didn't read through the whole thread, so sorry if this has been posted already.

Miikka refusing a trade is a microcosm of what is wrong with the Flames hockey club. The 'Country Club" culture of entitlement has got to end.

Miikka does not have An NTC, yet he seems to believe he is entitled to impose one.

The inmates are running the asylum.