How much longer do you think the Oilers will be this bad for?

[TKB]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Oilers look like they are going to go 3-4-2 on their road trip, that actually is not bad for them. 14 of their final 21 at home, they might actually end up making a push for a playoff position. I would suspect they will finish around 50 points and just miss the playoffs though.

I expected them to finish with a .500 record this year and would be happy if they pulled that off. I never thought they would make the playoffs this year and as most oiler fans just want to see them start improving.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Oilers look like they are going to go 3-4-2 on their road trip, that actually is not bad for them. 14 of their final 21 at home, they might actually end up making a push for a playoff position. I would suspect they will finish around 50 points and just miss the playoffs though.

Or they could do what they have done the last three years and be even worse during the second half of the season. So far they have started worse this year than last year, and if they sell off some players (Belanger, Smid, Whitney etc.) then they might get even worse. With the way Columbus has been playing lately I think the Oilers would be the likely candidates for Seth Jones, but still very early to predict.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by neo45

Or they could do what they have done the last three years and be even worse during the second half of the season. So far they have started worse this year than last year, and if they sell off some players (Belanger, Smid, Whitney etc.) then they might get even worse. With the way Columbus has been playing lately I think the Oilers would be the likely candidates for Seth Jones, but still very early to predict.

I would suspect they will get 14 points out of their 14 home games, that added to their likely win tonight gives them 39 points, throw another 5 points on their 7 road games and that gets them to 44 minimum in my opinion. I would agree that .500 is probably where they will finish the year, probably going something like 8-6 at home and 3-4 on the road for 47 points or so.

This road trip was always going to be the toughest stretch of their season, facing playoff teams in 5 of the games and facing teams above .500 in 7 of the games. 3-4-2 is probably right around where they should have gone if they are a .500 team overall.

[Sakari]

You need to change the thread name.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Sakari

You need to change the thread name.

To what?

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Sakari

You need to change the thread name.

why

[dino7c]

good, win a few...last thing I want is another lottery pick for the Oilers

[Calgary4LIfe]

I didn't read every page of this thread (been busy lately) - so I apologize in advance if this has been covered.

Has a comparable(s) been brought up before showing the following:
Finished last 1+ year(s)
Stable ownership
Spending above average at least
Solid ticket base

The reason I am asking, is that when I try to think of an example, the best one I can think of is the Nordiques - but they were struggling financially if memory serves (hence their move to Colorado).

Chicago attained success after they gained a more stable ownership that became committed to icing a good team.

Islanders are committed to finding loopholes to save themselves money.

Edmonton seems like a team that spends money, has a stable owner, has no trouble selling out, but have remained at the bottom of the standings for too long. I can't think of another team like that. St. Louis? But they are a budget team.

Columbus is the one that I most think of (though they have never finished that poorly and consistently as the Oilers have - you would think they would have less busts had they finished that low that often). I don't follow Columbus too much, but they seemed like a failure of an organization due to mismanagement more than any other reason.

Also, are the Oilers officially the 'worst team ever in the NHL? I mean in terms of how long they spent at the very bottom of the standings (29th last season included)? I remember reading something that they surpassed Quebec for most consecutive poor finishes in the standings.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Jeeezuz.

Peter Principle in action.

The entire Oiler's Franchise is comprised of people incompetent for their positions.

Nothing. The Oilers have learned nothing. Scott Howson? You gotta be kidding me!

I cant wait for the glorious reign of MacT. That should be something beautiful to watch.

Originally Posted by stang

And my point is that the Flames have been saying it for 4.

Actually, I think the problem is that the Flames 'should' have been saying it for 4 years, but they've been insistently banging a whole different drum.

[Lentulus Batiatus]

What's really funny about all the Oiler fans trying to put down the Flames in this thread is that for the past 3.5 seasons where the Flames haven't made the playoffs (but been down to the wire in 3 thus far) the Flames are 16-3-0 against their home team. To even remotely suggest the Flames are or will be as bad as the Oilers have been, for as long as they have and continue to be, is just rediculous. Even 'if' the Flames trade Iginla the return will be far greater than the junk Lowe got for Smyth followed by a 19 game losing streak to kill their playoff chances. 3 straight first over-all picks isn't even going to get them 2 Calder nominations. Even trying to compare Chicago or Pittsburgh is just laughable. Hall gets how many million next year for skating too fast and falling down into the boards? Meanwhile, Seguin looks like a stud in Beantown

[AlbertaOiler72]

Originally Posted by Lentulus Batiatus

What's really funny about all the Oiler fans trying to put down the Flames in this thread is that for the past 3.5 seasons where the Flames haven't made the playoffs (but been down to the wire in 3 thus far) the Flames are 16-3-0 against their home team. To even remotely suggest the Flames are or will be as bad as the Oilers have been, for as long as they have and continue to be, is just rediculous. Even 'if' the Flames trade Iginla the return will be far greater than the junk Lowe got for Smyth followed by a 19 game losing streak to kill their playoff chances. 3 straight first over-all picks isn't even going to get them 2 Calder nominations. Even trying to compare Chicago or Pittsburgh is just laughable. Hall gets how many million next year for skating too fast and falling down into the boards? Meanwhile, Seguin looks like a stud in Beantown

Hall has more points this Seguin this year on a bad offensive team

Hall has had more career points and better PPG then Seguin ever has...not sure what you're talking about

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

Hall has more points this Seguin this year on a bad offensive team

Hall has had more career points and better PPG then Seguin ever has...not sure what you're talking about

you have to admit that Hall has had more icetime and opportunity especially in the first couple of years on a terrible team in Edmonton then Seguin has had on a stacked team in Boston.

Tough to compare Stats accurately in that case.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

Hall has more points this Seguin this year on a bad offensive team

Hall has had more career points and better PPG then Seguin ever has...not sure what you're talking about

bad offensive team...lol priceless to hear that from an Oilers fan!

[neo45]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

Hall has more points this Seguin this year on a bad offensive team

Hall has had more career points and better PPG then Seguin ever has...not sure what you're talking about

It's a wash. What little advantage Hall has in points is made up for when you look at Seguin, who is +47 in two seasons and has stayed healthier than Hall

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Lentulus Batiatus

What's really funny about all the Oiler fans trying to put down the Flames in this thread is that for the past 3.5 seasons where the Flames haven't made the playoffs (but been down to the wire in 3 thus far) the Flames are 16-3-0 against their home team. To even remotely suggest the Flames are or will be as bad as the Oilers have been, for as long as they have and continue to be, is just rediculous. Even 'if' the Flames trade Iginla the return will be far greater than the junk Lowe got for Smyth followed by a 19 game losing streak to kill their playoff chances. 3 straight first over-all picks isn't even going to get them 2 Calder nominations. Even trying to compare Chicago or Pittsburgh is just laughable. Hall gets how many million next year for skating too fast and falling down into the boards? Meanwhile, Seguin looks like a stud in Beantown

I try to stay out of these peeing matches, because god knows the Oilers haven't had much to lord over the Flames this season or any of recent past.

But this Hall bashing vs. Seguin the saviour talk is ridiculous. Hall has developed into a very complete player with signs of further improvement this year. Seguin has played on a very good Bruins team and has been good no question. I would pick Hall over Seguin any day of the week.

But looking from a stats perspective this article shows the performance of these two players: http://www.sportingcharts.com/articl...tatistics.aspx

I will let you draw your own conclusions.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

Hall has more points this Seguin this year on a bad offensive team

Hall has had more career points and better PPG then Seguin ever has...not sure what you're talking about

[Bertuzzied]

Hey what da ya know. The Oilers win 2 games in a row and Stang comes back to posting more than one post a week! hahahahhaa.

It will take a something special team to match the Oiler's suckiness from the past 3 years. It may never happen again in a salary cap world!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

Hall has more points this Seguin this year on a bad offensive team

Hall has had more career points and better PPG then Seguin ever has...not sure what you're talking about

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

you have to admit that Hall has had more icetime and opportunity especially in the first couple of years on a terrible team in Edmonton then Seguin has had on a stacked team in Boston.

Tough to compare Stats accurately in that case.

This.

Hall is getting more opportunity because his supporting cast is hot garbage. Hes playing a solo game to rack up points while Seguin is doing this weird thing that Hall is completely unfamiliar with, its called......winning.

[Lentulus Batiatus]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

I try to stay out of these peeing matches, because god knows the Oilers haven't had much to lord over the Flames this season or any of recent past.

But this Hall bashing vs. Seguin the saviour talk is ridiculous. Hall has developed into a very complete player with signs of further improvement this year. Seguin has played on a very good Bruins team and has been good no question. I would pick Hall over Seguin any day of the week.

But looking from a stats perspective this article shows the performance of these two players: http://www.sportingcharts.com/articl...tatistics.aspx

I will let you draw your own conclusions.

Hall has been forcced to play top-line minutes because there is no one else on that crap-tastic team to do so. If Seguin was given all the minutes Hall is forced to play the stats would further prove who's the better player. Add in the facts that only Oilers fans (and the easy to orgasmate media) see improvement in Hall's game. It's his 3rd year in the league and he's done what, exactly? Niminated for the Calder? Nope. Lead rookies in scoring? Nope. Catapulted the last place to draft him team beyond the bottom of the league? Hell no.

Meanwhile Seguin is developing at a much greater pace. His play at both ends of the ice eclipses Hall's. He's already got a cup to boot while Hall's team loses, loses and then loses some more. Hall will max-out his potential with the Oilers long before Seguin reaches his potential. Another example of properly developing a young star vs tossing a flashy kid infront of 18,000 screaming mullets in order to sell jerseys.

You go on to further prove the point of how bad the Oilers are and will continue to be by flat out stating you'd pick the flashy but falls down a lot Hall over the poise that would be a tremendous center in Seguin. But hey, keep buying those Hall jerseys because that's what Lowe and company have been selling you for years and will continue to milk you for. Tyler certain thanks you for it to all the way to the cup finals with his shiny ring. Something Hall won't ever get a wiff of as long as he's wearing horrendous blue and copper.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Locke

This.

Hall is getting more opportunity because his supporting cast is hot garbage. Hes playing a solo game to rack up points while Seguin is doing this weird thing that Hall is completely unfamiliar with, its called......winning.

That's such a weak arguement in support of a player. Flames should trade Iginla for Penner. Guy has two cups. He's just a winnah!