08-01-2012, 11:13 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Preach, brother Martin Luther.
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08-01-2012, 11:37 AM
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#282
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
· Think carefully about why you believe homosexuality is wrong.
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Why does being against redefining marriage mean that you believe homosexuality is wrong?
Does being against consenting cousins getting married mean that you are anti-family?
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08-01-2012, 11:43 AM
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#283
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Moscow
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Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25
Why does being against redefining marriage mean that you believe homosexuality is wrong?
Does being against consenting cousins getting married mean that you are anti-family?
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I think that is a fair presumption. Certainly I have never heard anyone provide a principled and rational justification for prohibiting same sex marriage (unlike the very principled and rational justifications that exist for prohibiting cousins from marrying.)
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08-01-2012, 11:46 AM
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#284
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25
Why does being against redefining marriage mean that you believe homosexuality is wrong?
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This was addressed to FlyingDonutz's explicit declaration of his own belief that "it's not right to get married to another guy." If you are against redefining marriage to include homosexual unions, then I am curious to know your reasons for this. So far, practically all the arguments against marriage redefinition are religiously motivated, and I am challenging the validity of those religious premises upon which they are founded.
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Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25
Does being against consenting cousins getting married mean that you are anti-family?
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Is that really the same issue? As far as I understand it, the injunction against marriage within families is a public health matter, is it not?
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08-01-2012, 11:48 AM
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#285
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Took an arrow to the knee
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Toronto
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25
Why does being against redefining marriage mean that you believe homosexuality is wrong?
Does being against consenting cousins getting married mean that you are anti-family?
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Those that are, in general, against "redefining" marriage are against it for religious purposes. The monotheistic religion they subscribe to sets the "spiritual" rules for marriage, and also what type of sexual behaviour is morally right or morally wrong. If someone's religion (or at least those belonging to that religion that hold religious authority) states marriage is between man and woman, and that relations between men is morally wrong, it doesn't take a genius to conclude that they are against "redefining" marriage to allow gays to marry because they believe gay relations are morally wrong.
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Last edited by HPLovecraft; 08-01-2012 at 11:51 AM.
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08-01-2012, 11:52 AM
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#286
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Had an idea!
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Religious reasons should have nothing to do as to whether or not gay marriage is legal or not.
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08-01-2012, 11:54 AM
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#287
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Is that really the same issue? As far as I understand it, the injunction against marriage within families is a public health matter, is it not?
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What if they are same sex cousins? How is that a public health matter?
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08-01-2012, 11:56 AM
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#288
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Has lived the dream!
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Where I lay my head is home...
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
I'm probably being a little harsh, and if anyone is personally or spiritually battered by what I have said than I really am sorry. I think that in the "real world" I am actually a pretty friendly guy.
The reason I come down so hard on the religious crowd sometimes is because I am so tired of the bad ideas put forward by religion. I am so tired of the bad arguments for the philosophical entrenchment of religion. I am so tired of being religious in a culture in which traditional religion increasingly does not work.
I want a revolution.
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We need more of this. Spiritual people standing up and doing good. Taking responsibility.
Not just the Calgaryborn(repub?) answer.
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08-01-2012, 11:57 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25
What if they are same sex cousins? How is that a public health matter?
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No public health matter there. Especially considering we aren't allowed to consider procreation as a valid reason for marriage.
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08-01-2012, 11:59 AM
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Took an arrow to the knee
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Toronto
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Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25
What if they are same sex cousins? How is that a public health matter?
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It's supposed to be a public health issue, but in truth, cousin relationships don't present any sort of extraordinary health risk and the act is more cultural taboo in certain areas of the West than others. A woman having a child near the age of 40 has more health risks involved in bearing a child than first cousins, and nobody wants to ban that, I wouldn't think.
Besides, what is the point of your questions? Do you live in Canada? Cousin marriage has been legal here for well over a decade. My question to you would be, why are you against cousin marriage?
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08-01-2012, 12:02 PM
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#291
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Had an idea!
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1st cousin marriage is legal?
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08-01-2012, 12:05 PM
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Took an arrow to the knee
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Toronto
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Originally Posted by Azure
1st cousin marriage is legal?
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As far as I know, because there isn't any sort of extraordinary health risk involved with it. My understanding is that the United States is the only Western country that has restrictive laws against cousin marriage.
Hell, your niece and nephew can get married in Canada if they want to. We're a bunch of moral delinquents here.
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08-01-2012, 12:08 PM
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#293
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Has lived the dream!
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Where I lay my head is home...
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Originally Posted by Azure
1st cousin marriage is legal?
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Most states yes.
More than gay marriage....
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08-01-2012, 12:09 PM
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#294
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft
It's supposed to be a public health issue, but in truth, cousin relationships don't present any sort of extraordinary health risk and the act is more cultural taboo in certain areas of the West than others. A woman having a child near the age of 40 has more health risks involved in bearing a child than first cousins, and nobody wants to ban that, I wouldn't think.
Besides, what is the point of your questions? Do you live in Canada? Cousin marriage has been legal here for well over a decade. My question to you would be, why are you against cousin marriage?
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I wasn't aware that cousin marrying was allowed in Canada. Interesting that you knew that though. 
But replace cousins with siblings then. How many people here are against sibling marriage and why?
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08-01-2012, 12:12 PM
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#295
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kalispell, Montana
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Originally Posted by Daradon
Most states yes.
More than gay marriage....
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I'll bet there are a ton of folks who stand up for the rights of homosexuals to marry that would refuse to do the same for first cousins.
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08-01-2012, 12:15 PM
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#296
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
I'll bet there are a ton of folks who stand up for the rights of homosexuals to marry that would refuse to do the same for first cousins.
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Bunch of bigots who don't believe in equal rights! 
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08-01-2012, 12:16 PM
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Took an arrow to the knee
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Toronto
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Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25
I wasn't aware that cousin marrying was allowed in Canada. Interesting that you knew that though.
But replace cousins with siblings then. How many people here are against sibling marriage and why? |
I'm hoping this won't be some sort of infinite regression!
Brothers and sisters can't get married because of their close genetic similarities -- they share half their entire genetic make-up. Compare that to first cousins, where people only share around 1/8th of their genetic make-up. It's a big difference when it comes to recessive diseases and other bad things. First cousins produce children with around a 5% risk of birth defects compared to over 30% for first degree relatives like brother and sister.
And, before you ask, I personally have no problem with gay brothers or gay sisters being married.
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08-01-2012, 12:18 PM
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#298
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft
I'm hoping this won't be some sort of infinite regression!
Brothers and sisters can't get married ...
And, before you ask, I personally have no problem with gay brothers or gay sisters being married.
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So you're one of those heterophobes, aren't you?
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08-01-2012, 12:18 PM
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#299
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God of Hating Twitter
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Allskonar fyrir Aumingja!!
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08-01-2012, 12:20 PM
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#300
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25
I wasn't aware that cousin marrying was allowed in Canada. Interesting that you knew that though.
But replace cousins with siblings then. How many people here are against sibling marriage and why? |
That brings in a swackload of genetic problems. But besides that, is your only defence of not allowing gay marriage going to be proposing more and more ridiculous marriage proposals? It would be weird, but te people would need to overcome the sibling effect.
Tell me why is gay marriage akin to sibling marriage? The slippery slope argument that allowing gay marriage will lead to people marrying ducks is not a valid argument.
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