FC's 2013 NHL Draft Thread

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Mitch

Probably has more to do with Bergeron being injured.

“We put him there because we think he can [play center] and we’ll see. It’s a great opportunity for him, he’s played there most of his career and I’m giving him that opportunity as something I think he deserves,” Coach Julien said of Seguin centering Jagr and Marchand during pregame skate. “So, we’ll see how it goes, and if not then coaches will do what they do, they adjust.”
“It’s going to be a little different for him; he’s not on the wall right now, he’s going to have go down low in support and he’s going to have to cover a little bit more territory, something that we all know Bergy does extremely well.”
“He’s got some big shoes to fill, we don’t expect him to fill them, but we expect him to go out there and do a decent job like everybody else. We have the confidence he can skate and more responsibility means a chance to get better as a player and mature as a guy that you can put it in different situations.”

http://bruins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=664169

The point is that Seguin hasn't been playing Centre because there hasn't been a spot open for him, not that they converted him because he is better on the wing, at least not yet. So using him as an example of a failed centre isn't fair.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Where do you keep hearing that?

Some of that may come from the fact that MacKinnon was a RW before the Mooseheads converted him to center, but the skills that he possesses would make him a valuable RW anyways.

Mooseheads also converted Drouin from center to LW.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Some of that may come from the fact that MacKinnon was a RW before the Mooseheads converted him to center, but the skills that he possesses would make him a valuable RW anyways.

Mooseheads also converted Drouin from center to LW.

Not that it matters much, but MacKinnon is still listed as RW on some reference sites.

[Alberta_Beef]

My point is I would prefer someone like Barkov who isn't much if at all below McKinnon & Drouin because Barkov has all the tools to be big #1 two-way center.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Dorkmaster

Could happen, but don't you forget they also have Gudbranson.

Gubranson isn't really a Jones calibre prospect. They project differently in the NHL, where Drouin and Huberdeau are extremely similar

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

My point is I would prefer someone like Barkov who isn't much if at all below McKinnon & Drouin because Barkov has all the tools to be big #1 two-way center.

I do not know about that. Barkov would be a nice consolation prize, but the even if McKinnon or Drouin play wing, they are way more likely to be PPG producers at the NHL level.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Hesla

I do not know about that. Barkov would be a nice consolation prize, but the even if McKinnon or Drouin play wing, they are way more likely to be PPG producers at the NHL level.

and Barkov is way more likely to put up good offensive numbers while being an good if not excellent defensive player.

To me right now it's like choosing between Patrice Bergeron and Henrik Sedin. Sedin will outscore Bergeron 9 of 10 times at minimum, but Bergeron is a more complete player and contributes more to the success of the team.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by Hesla

I do not know about that. Barkov would be a nice consolation prize, but the even if McKinnon or Drouin play wing, they are way more likely to be PPG producers at the NHL level.

Source?

Because I think that is a very silly thing to claim at this point.

Barkov is playing in an elite professional men's league, where he is top 10 in scoring.

McKinnon is not even top-10 in scoring in his junior league where he is playing against boys.

They are the same age.

I just don't see him as having some kind of fatal shakespearean flaw in his game, that allows him to be a PPG scorer at 17 years old in one of the top professional leagues in the world, but will hold him back behind kids playing juniors at the same age.

[Knut]

Basing my claim entirely on what various scouting reports have said.

Also.. McKinnon's points/game was 4th in the Q to Drouin. Both players played less than the rest of the top 10 scorers. Drouin, Jaskin, Andregghito and then McKinnon.

I like Barkov, and do not think we can go wrong with picking him. I just think that transfering from CHL to NHL is much more known factor that transferring from Europe to NHL. Bigger ice surface etc.

Opinion really.

[indes]

Might be racist but I go with the Canadian franchise player 10/10 times if the skill level is close enough. Statistically speaking I think you've got a better chance to win the playoffs. Only a handful of non-Canadian captains to ever win the cup.

[sevenarms]

Originally Posted by indes

Might be racist but I go with the Canadian franchise player 10/10 times if the skill level is close enough. Statistically speaking I think you've got a better chance to win the playoffs. Only a handful of non-Canadian captains to ever win the cup.

That's completely a thing of the past. 3 of the past 5 Stanley Cup winning captains are not Canadian and 12 of 26 current team captains are non-Canadian.

[indes]

Hmm guess I am just racist

[XxBIGDOGxX1817]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

If you by some chance the Flames won the lottery and got #1 and #2, you take Drouin and Mckinnon. Period.

I get many are drooling over Jones, but I think Dmen at that age are much more of a longshot and are unproven in terms of durability when coming into the NHL.

You take the 2 kids who are proven in terms of ability and Chemistry.

Your bang on buddy, sounds weird but its true

[Jebus]

Originally Posted by sevenarms

That's completely a thing of the past. 3 of the past 5 Stanley Cup winning captains are not Canadian and 12 of 26 current team captains are non-Canadian.

This statement is a bit misleading considering you aren't taking into consideration the captains recently traded are all Canadian born.

I'm not disagreeing with the point of your arguement, it just struck me as odd to use the number 26 for captains in a 30 team league.
12 of 30 2013 NHL captains are non-Canadian would be more accurate, and doesn't skew the numbers.

[bax]

Originally Posted by indes

Hmm guess I am just racist

Thats not racist, thats cultural bias.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

I think it makes sense to show a bias for particular countries if you think players drafted from those countries are more likely to want to re-sign with your team long term. As a non-prime destination (not LA, NY, etc) Calgary should be taking this into consideration IMO.

I think in particular Canadians, Swedes and Finns are more likely to stay in Canada. For Canadians the reasons are obvious. I feel like Swedes and Finns have shown loyalty to Canadian cities (Sundin, Alfredsson, Salo, Sedins, Koivu, Kiprusoff, etc). I think the landscape and culture in Canada is closer to Sweden/Finland than most of the US is.

On the other hand you have Americans and Russians. Americans have 24 choices of NHL cities to play in their home country and are less likely to stay loyal to a Canadian city because of that. Russians often have a big cultural transition to make in North America (somewhat mitigated if they come over and play in the CHL) and always have the option to return home for decent money in the KHL.

I put more weight in an argument about whether you think a potential top 5 pick and franchise player will re-sign with your team into his UFA years than I do about whether Canadian captains have won the cup or not. In this particular year I would move Nichuskin down due to uncertainty about when/if he'll come, how long he'll stay, etc. And if you think its super close between MacKinnon, Drouin, Barkov, and Jones I think you can downgrade Jones slightly because he may want to return to America later in his career.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten

Okay, I've done some research but I don't think any place I've looked has it up to date, but is the following list correct in terms of where the Flames will be picking this year:

Round One: Three picks (maybe two depending on where St. Louis finishes)

Round Two: No picks

Round Three: One pick

Round Four: One pick (maybe two depending on where St. Louis finishes)

Round Five: One pick (Columbus)

Round Six: One pick

Round Seven: Two picks (Chicago and their own)

Nine picks in total, I think.

I wonder, when was the last time Calgary had more than seven picks going into the draft? Anybody have an idea?

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Itse

I wonder, when was the last time Calgary had more than seven picks going into the draft? Anybody have an idea?

they had 8 picks each in 2005 and 2006. No sense in looking at years before that, as the draft had 9 rounds until the lockout.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00005090.html

[Itse]

Originally Posted by devo22

they had 8 picks each in 2005 and 2006. No sense in looking at years before that, as the draft had 9 rounds until the lockout.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00005090.html

Thanks. For no particular reason I added up our draft picks from the previous CBA.

If anyone else is interested, we had
7 First round picks
4 Second round picks
10 Third round picks
10 Fourth round picks
7 Fifth round picks
6 Sixth round picks
8 Seventh round picks

For a total of 52 picks in eight drafts.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Jebus

This statement is a bit misleading considering you aren't taking into consideration the captains recently traded are all Canadian born.

I'm not disagreeing with the point of your arguement, it just struck me as odd to use the number 26 for captains in a 30 team league.
12 of 30 2013 NHL captains are non-Canadian would be more accurate, and doesn't skew the numbers.

Except that at the moment 4 NHL teams don't have captains - so 12 of 26 is more accurate.