Ongoing US Mass Shooting Thread 2

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Again, ignoring all the people who do just fine without it(and all those claiming religion that don't actually practice it at all).


And since you brought it up, religious moral and ethical guidelines can also look a lot like a cult hate group. They certainly use those guidelines to that effect, and it's a lot easier if you've got a large indoctrinated portion of the population and put them in positions of political power to achieve those "morals".

You’re ignoring political tribalism and antagonism, which serve many of the same functions as religion:

* The sense of identity that comes from sorting people into in-groups and out-groups
* Feelings of belonging and purpose
* Sense of moral righteousness
* Social sanction to express antagonism towards the out-group

A lot of irreligious people look to political engagement for those things, where if they were in a different cultural context they would get them from a religious community or identity.

[Engine09]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Religious faith can motivate people to do all kinds of things.

Barf.

Too bad it's historically been mostly child rape and murder. That guy was brave as hell and did what any decent person would hope to do in a situtation like that.

[troutman]

4 charged with plotting New Year’s Eve attacks in Southern California, prosecutors say

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article...osecutors-say/

They are members of an offshoot of a pro-Palestinian group dubbed the Turtle Island Liberation Front, the complaint said.

The group is alleged to have been plotting to set off a series of bombings at multiple targets in California beginning on New Year’s Eve and also planned to target Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents and vehicles Attorney General Pam Bondi said on social media.

Evidence photos included in the court documents show a desert campsite with what investigators said were bomb-making materials strewn across plastic folding tables.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

You’re ignoring political tribalism and antagonism, which serve many of the same functions as religion:

* The sense of identity that comes from sorting people into in-groups and out-groups
* Feelings of belonging and purpose
* Sense of moral righteousness
* Social sanction to express antagonism towards the out-group

A lot of irreligious people look to political engagement for those things, where if they were in a different cultural context they would get them from a religious community or identity.

I still don't think that validates the existence of organized religion.

There's one major difference that has already been mentioned in planting your identity in a political pot than a religious one: God.

Political ideologies are human made, religious doctrine is divinely authored. The primary difference between small c conservatist ideology and what we are witnessing with the extreme elements of movements like MAGA is Christian fanaticism. It's good vs evil to them, and it comes from a perverted idea of God's word.

Religious belief may have motivated that man to intervene, or maybe he was just a brave and good person.

"Religious faith can motivate people to do all kinds of things." True, and some of those things are reprehensibly terrible. More people have been killed in the name of God than any other reason. Untold scores of people have been relying on religious faith to save them for millennia and look where we find ourselves.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by troutman

4 charged with plotting New Year’s Eve attacks in Southern California, prosecutors say

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article...osecutors-say/

Good job idiots. Now Trump is going to go to town on Palestinians and Gaza.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Beninho

He’s a Lebanese Christian, regardless it does not matter tho. He’s a hero

For the sake of accuracy this needs to be corrected.
He's a Syrian Muslim.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Bagor

For the sake of accuracy this needs to be corrected.
He's a Syrian Muslim.

I got my info wrong, i was just coming here to post that I had been corrected.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It depends on the religion in question, and on the church in question, and on the specific group of religious people in question. Some have good outcomes and some bad outcomes.

Yeah, I agree with this.

I think there are too many nuances right down to the individual for any broad labels or descriptions to stick beyond ones that are historically descriptive (by that I mean, Christianity is bad/good (invalid) vs Christianity has been responsible for terrible/great things (valid)).

I know of some churches where I would be welcomed by everyone. I know of some others where I would be welcomed by few if anybody. Some you go to and it feels like nothing more than a warm cross-generational community gathering. Some will give you the absolute creeps. These all exists under the same religion, and it is like that for the most broad major religions.

In general, I think broad, sweeping generalizations (good or bad) about the quality of a person or a group of people based on their general religion or lack there of get society any closer to any form of improvement. Some people do it with good intentions or as a method of defence against those with bad intentions, but it can and often is very damaging.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Bagor

For the sake of accuracy this needs to be corrected.
He's a Syrian Muslim.

Incredible bravery.

[Snuffleupagus]

Just my opinion but all religions are bad, they can contribute to a social division "us vs them" mentality, discrimination, conflicts and war. Religions discourage critical thinking on science, evolution, education and even medicine.

Parents who are heavily religious run the risk of "dumbing" down their kids during the critical years for IQ development (birth to about age 8)

I don't even need to mention the child sexual abuse scandals.

Human beings are already a tribal species, add religion and you have even a larger group problem.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Just my opinion but all religions are bad, they can contribute to a social division "us vs them" mentality, discrimination, conflicts and war. Religions discourage critical thinking on science, evolution, education and even medicine.

Parents who are heavily religious run the risk of "dumbing" down their kids during the critical years for IQ development (birth to about age 8)

I don't even need to mention the child sexual abuse scandals.

Human beings are already a tribal species, add religion and you have even a larger group problem.

In a lot of ways, even some pretty direct ways, religion was the driver for human civilization and advancement. It's widely hypothesized these days that permanent human settlements first spawned around sites of spiritual and religious importance, which then formed the necessary stability for agricultural, specialization, and more advanced linguistics. The sites that also acted as pilgrimage sites for neolithic people created an area where people from other societies could meet and exchange ideas. =

I get that the whole thing could be considered vestigial in the modern world and there is a worthy debate about the usefulness it now serves. It could just be one of those things we are stuck with until the world moves into a more post-religious one, which I think is happening gradually. I don't think it will solve any of the tribalism or global violence issues though.