I guess 2 distinctions here is that this is likely closer to lone wolf (even though it was a pair) style terrorism than the mass shooting problem that is afflicting the States.
Almost a meaningless distinction, but I have to think a lot of the causes and motives underlaying this shooting are more related to radical racist ideologies, where the US there is a something of a self harm, dragging others down with you, blaze of glory issue, just somehow distinct from what we'd think of as terrorism.
Additionally when faced with something like this in the past, Australians have shown a willingness to take quick and meaningful action. So hopefully something other than thoughts and payers comes out of this one.
He’s a Lebanese Christian, regardless it does not matter tho. He’s a hero
Australian Jews had been sounding the alarm for a while now and the broad consensus within the community is not enough has been done to protect their community. A synagogue was burnt down not even a year ago and all the Jewish community got was some condolences. If an entire community is in agreement not enough was being done and something like this happens i’d wager that community probably had a point.
Anti-semitism has been on the rise for years - in Australia, the U.S., and in Europe. That’s the context for the shootings.
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‘The inevitable has happened’: Bondi beach attack follows rise in antisemitic incidents
… Experts point out that antisemitism was already widely prevalent before the bloody conflict in Gaza, provoked by the Hamas attack into Israel of October 2023, polarised opinions across the world.
The most lethal attack against the Jewish community in the US, for example, came in 2018, while in 2023, Michael O’Flaherty, the director of the EU’s agency for fundamental rights, described such hate as a “deeply ingrained racism in European society” that posed an existential threat to the continent’s Jewish community.
… In Australia, the Executive Council of Australian Jewry (ECAJ) logged 1,654 anti-Jewish incidents in the 12 months to 30 September, about three times higher than any annual total before the war in Gaza. In a report earlier this month, the ECAJ said anti-Jewish racism had left the fringes of society and become part of the mainstream, with “an increasing ideological alignment … between neo-Nazis, the anti-Israel left or Islamists”.
Terrorism experts know that radicalisation does not occur in a vacuum. Such violence remains a social activity, reflecting broader trends. This means even incidents of race hate seen as relatively minor – hateful graffiti, racist insults in the street, and similar – suggest something deeper and more dangerous.
I think what he means is just that no one is paying attention. I've talked to a guy that had to leave a mosque in Calgary because the rhetoric was not something he could support. I know of a church 10 minutes from my house that could be better described as a cult.
Religious extremism is getting bad, and the fact that the Muslim community is insular, just makes it easier to happen there.
I'm just gonna go ahead and leave this right here.
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I used to think the world would be better off without religion.
But I think humanity is wired to participate in some type of belief system though. If it’s not spiritual, then where does that faith and energy get directed? Something fills the void - is this “something” a net benefit to society?
I’m beginning to come back around to religion. Not because I believe, but because I prefer that society as opposed to the one of “atheists”.
Ahmed al-Ahmed, the man who tackled and disarmed one of the shooters, had this to say about his motivation:
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“When he saw this scene, people dying of gunfire, he told me, ‘I couldn’t bear this. God gave me strength. I believe I’m going to stop this person killing people’.”
We are human's we will always find some reason to rape and kill each other, it's who we are
We are worse than animals, we hunger for the kill
We put our faith in maniacs, the triumph of the will
We kill for money, wealth and lust, for this we should be damned
We are disease upon the world, the Brotherhood of man
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I used to think the world would be better off without religion.
But I think humanity is wired to participate in some type of belief system though. If it’s not spiritual, then where does that faith and energy get directed? Something fills the void - is this “something” a net benefit to society?
I’m beginning to come back around to religion. Not because I believe, but because I prefer that society as opposed to the one of “atheists”.
I never understood this, that gets repeated often by religious people in an attempt to accept their own needs as universal. It requires ignoring the large portion of humanity that gets by just fine without it. Why form a question in a way that is only a question if you ignore reality?
I think a reasonable explanation that religious people struggle with this is that as children they had this hole created and filled at the same time. If you aren't forced through this stuff as a child(often in ways that rational people would see as abuse and coercion), you just don't have much of a void to be filled. Yes, I know there are exceptions of people turning religious in life, but those are exceptions. Not that big of a portion of humanity finds religion as adults if they were never indoctrinated into it.
I dunno Fuzz, I think people long for community and traditionally they found it in religion. Nowadays it can be anything from political groups, red pill, survivalists etc. I think there's actually some merit in the idea that most religions at least come with moral and ethical guidelines as opposed to getting sucked into what I would consider cult like hate groups.
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Again, ignoring all the people who do just fine without it(and all those claiming religion that don't actually practice it at all).
And since you brought it up, religious moral and ethical guidelines can also look a lot like a cult hate group. They certainly use those guidelines to that effect, and it's a lot easier if you've got a large indoctrinated portion of the population and put them in positions of political power to achieve those "morals".
It depends on the religion in question, and on the church in question, and on the specific group of religious people in question. Some have good outcomes and some bad outcomes.
And almost no one gets by fine without some sort of moral community with a list of agreed-upon guidelines, other than sociopaths. They may not think those guidelines are imparted to them by an infallible deity, but in most cases their firmly-held moral beliefs are equally unjustified, and vaguely explained with phrases like "that's how I was brought up" or "it's just obviously right, everyone can see that", which are again just references to similarly-minded moral communities. If you ask someone why they hold moral view X almost no one is going to go, "well, after reading Kant's 'Critique of Practical Reason', I came to the conclusion that in cases like this..."
The particular problem with religious justification for morality is that in the context of many religions it's a) supposedly infallible, and the closer you get to "no one may question my belief about what's right" the more damage you do; and b) fear based; i.e., "follow these strict guidelines or you will go to hell / bad things will follow / your crops won't grow", which is a good way to trick people into doing some fairly insane things that they otherwise would see as obviously insane.
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