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Old 10-17-2016, 02:19 PM   #2901
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I suspect Trumps numbers will turn out to be massively lower than he's polling at because of these kind of things, polls always assume that the person who says they'll vote trump will actually vote, I suspect vast numbers of Trump supporters will not be called and reminded where the polling station is or the like and many won't vote.
At best it'll likely be a wash with Clinton-supporting minorities deterred from voting due to Trump's call to suppression.
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Except that the US Congress is also elected by... the people
Res is right, that attitude is great for House Democrats.

538 describes the phenomenon as "anticipatory balancing" - giving one party the Presidency and the other the House, for moderate governance.
Attitudes like McCain's will totally undermine that.
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Old 10-17-2016, 02:21 PM   #2903
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If the Republican party insists on not filling vacant supreme Court seats in what would be a historically unprecedented show of obstructionism people are going to lose patience with them and are likely to vote in Democrats. Couple that with the high probability of negstive down ballot effects that Trump will have and that leads to the Democrats getting control of the government.
Well, that is how democracy works, isn't it.

Conversely, Republicans may rally around down ballet candidates as an effort to repair some of the damage wrought by Trump.
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McCain suggests the Republican mandate of obstructionism may not change under President Clinton. They got their BS "let the will of the people decide" crap to be swallowed the first time around but now that they're losing they're going back to the mattresses. I'm utterly shocked and thank the Republican party for giving control of the house to Democrats.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58...b0162c043d4c9a
FYI, the article has been updated. McCain retracted his comments. Clarified to say that he'll vote based on qualification.

That M. Garland is still waiting based on non-votes, is another matter.
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Res is right, that attitude is great for House Democrats.

538 describes the phenomenon as "anticipatory balancing" - giving one party the Presidency and the other the House, for moderate governance.
Attitudes like McCain's will totally undermine that.
Congressional obstruction isn't really anything new, and in fact, a great deal of the policies opposed by the Republican Congress were enormously unpopular with their base.

That said, the Republicans really need to rethink their strategies surrounding healthcare, and immigration. Right now, they are mainly out of tune with the vast majority of the American electorate.
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Garland is definitely going to be the next SC justice, whether its by a quick vote before Hillary gets in or as Hillary's first choice for the SC. He's non-controversial and will fly through the hearings and probably get a solid 75-80 votes in support. Easy appointment that costs zero political capital, sounds like a winner.
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Not election related but since media has been discussed previously...

Time tweet: "Watch an 8-year-old boy's heartbreaking reaction to learning his mom died from a drug overdose"

With a video of it, I won't watch it and I won't link to it. This borders on actual abuse.
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Congressional obstruction isn't really anything new, and in fact, a great deal of the policies opposed by the Republican Congress were enormously unpopular with their base.

That said, the Republicans really need to rethink their strategies surrounding healthcare, and immigration. Right now, they are mainly out of tune with the vast majority of the American electorate.
Poppycock.

Under the Obama administration there was unprecedented obstruction.
Republicans would filibuster their own bills just to stymie any progress.

Remember the attacks against Romney, the "do nothing congress," and the "party of no." They were totally on point.
Modern day Republicanism is self-inflicted cancer, with Trump as the tumor.

http://www.vox.com/2016/8/15/1244389...s-donald-trump
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So it was the Clinton Campaign team and Campaign operatives who have started, incited and paid for violent protests at Trump Campaign Rallies, most notably, the violence that occurred in Chicago and injured Policemen.

Here is the Undercover Video Investigation released today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

Not sure how Hillary apologists can justify this one.
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Old 10-17-2016, 02:31 PM   #2910
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Poppycock.

Under the Obama administration there was unprecedented obstruction.
Republicans would filibuster their own bills just to stymie any progress.

Remember the attacks against Romney, the "do nothing congress," and the "party of no." They were totally on point.
Modern day Republicanism is self-inflicted cancer, with Trump as the tumor.

http://www.vox.com/2016/8/15/1244389...s-donald-trump
Reconstruction and the New Deal both saw incredibly obstructionist Congresses.

I mean it goes the other way where the Executive has done its utmost to stop Congress from actually legislating anything.

Granted, Obama didn't use his veto all that often.
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Oh hey that guy that got ACORN shut down for nothing is still at it. What a reliable source.
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Here is the Undercover Video Investigation released today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY
This is a James O'Keefe video, the guy who did the "hidden footage" of Acorn helping a pimp with small business advice.

Just FYI.
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I don't think Alpine Fisher cares about the quality of carefully edited footage and staged actors being part of an exposé.
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so it was the clinton campaign team and campaign operatives who have started, incited and paid for violent protests at trump campaign rallies, most notably, the violence that occurred in chicago and injured policemen.

Here is the undercover video investigation released today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iujghuikzy

not sure how hillary apologists can justify this one.
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Old 10-17-2016, 02:38 PM   #2915
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Peter12 would be considered a moderate in the US. This is a thread about American politics. I don't think it's fair to characterize him as a wingnut in this particular context, the arguments being presented in that vein are implicitly assuming things about the American political milieu that are simply not true. Not that I agree with him in any respect, but religion is a far more powerful force in America than it is here, so attempts to characterize him as some kind of extremist wacko show more about the posters' ignorance than insight.
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Found the latest James O'Keefe video:

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Reconstruction and the New Deal both saw incredibly obstructionist Congresses.
Disagreement happen.
There has never been this level of unprincipled obstructionism.
The Garland pick is just a microcosm.

If you can find me an example of a historical Senator filibustering his own bill, I will eat my hat.
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Disagreement happen.
There has never been this level of unprincipled obstructionism.
The Garland pick is just a microcosm.

If you can find me an example of a historical Senator filibustering his own bill, I will eat my hat.
Haha, fair enough. Fair enough.
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McCain suggests the Republican mandate of obstructionism may not change under President Clinton. They got their BS "let the will of the people decide" crap to be swallowed the first time around but now that they're losing they're going back to the mattresses. I'm utterly shocked and thank the Republican party for giving control of the house to Democrats.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58...b0162c043d4c9a
Brilliant comment from user Edward Hero on that article

"If we win the presidency, our Supreme Court nominees should be confirmed. When you win the presidency, we will block you every turn.

If Trump wins, the election is legitimate and the people have SPOKEN. If Hillary wins, it must be RIGGED.

Donald Trump is accused of forcing himself on over ten women. STICK TO THE ISSUES. Bill Clinton accused of misconduct by 4 women. His wife should be disqualified from office.

Hillary Clinton has not directly mentioned any of Trump's accusers. She need to stop distracting from real issues. Trump has a press conference with 4 of Bill Clinton's accusers, gives them front row seats to the debate, and mentions them at a debate. Great job taking the gloves off president Trump.

Bill Clinton cheats on his wife. Impeach him. Trump proudly brags about sexual assault (has 5 kids with 3 wives and has cheated on his wives). Elect him.

Hillary oversaw the department of state while 4 people died in an embassy attack. JAIL HER. 2 Republicans were in office while over 200 people died in embassy attacks. No problem.

Immigrants don't pay taxes. Round them up and kick them out. Trump doesn't pay taxes. He's a business genius.

Independent fact checkers found Trump is likely the least truthful candidate in the history of politics. He tells it like it is. Hillary is statistically more truthful than most politicians according to fact checkers. She is the most untrustworthy person ever.

Hillary's foundation only spent 87% of their donations helping people (average amount is 75%). CROOKED. Trumps foundation paid off his debts, bought paintings of him, and made political donations to avoid investigations for a fake university while using less than 5% of funds for charity (and he got shut down by NY State). So savvy... Put him in the white house.

Trump made 4 billion dollars in 40 years, when an index fund started at the same time with the same "small loans" he received would be worth $12 billion today... without a trail of bankruptcies, thousands of lawsuits and burned small business owners. He's a real business whiz. Hillary took a loss of $700k. She's a criminal.

Trump is the first candidate in the modern era not to release his tax returns, and took a billion dollar loss in 1 year. Genius. Hillary releases 40 years of taxes. Corrupt. Trump denies saying things (on the record) he actually said (on the record), he's just telling it like it is.

Your arguments are thin. Your ignorance of reality is shocking. Your double-standards are offensive, and your willingness to blindly support him and recycle the rhetoric is absurd. Your opinion is not fact. Your memes are not news articles. And your hypocrisy is not a platform."
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So it was the Clinton Campaign team and Campaign operatives who have started, incited and paid for violent protests at Trump Campaign Rallies, most notably, the violence that occurred in Chicago and injured Policemen.

Here is the Undercover Video Investigation released today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

Not sure how Hillary apologists can justify this one.
How is it that likes outnumber views on that video?
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