2016 NHL Draft

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Brown in the third tier? He had him ranked 27th just last month.

Said "[Brown] is the next Joe Thornton type playmaking center. Except 6'6""

[Caged Great]

I can't see the Flames taking anyone but a forward now that the D have struggled and have fallen back a bit.

The top 4 group is going to be Matthews/Laine/Puljujarvi/Dubois.

Then Brown/Jost/Tkachuk/Nylander.

Then Keller, McLeod, and the D-men.

If the Flames are picking 5-6-7 and the top 4 group is gone, then I think the order of preference will be Tkachuk-Brown-Jost-Nylander

[GranteedEV]

I would prefer Keller over Nylander and Tkchuk TBQH. Seems to be a potential gamebreaker while the other two seem like compliemtary top 6 guys.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I would prefer Keller over Nylander and Tkchuk TBQH. Seems to be a potential gamebreaker while the other two seem like compliemtary top 6 guys.

It's hard to imagine the Flames taking tiny Keller with Gaudreau on the big team already. They are trying to add size/strength and i don't think having two tiny guys up front is a recipe for success in the playoffs. Hasn't worked well having a bunch of small forwards for Montreal.

Flames don't really need more tiny game breakers. A bigger, stronger complimentary player actually fits our needs much better.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

It's hard to imagine the Flames taking tiny Keller with Gaudreau on the big team already. They are trying to add size/strength and i don't think having two tiny guys up front is a recipe for success in the playoffs. Hasn't worked well having a bunch of small forwards for Montreal.

Flames don't really need more tiny game breakers. A bigger, stronger complimentary player actually fits our needs much better.

I think Keller is going to be one of the top players outside the top 4, but I actually agree wholeheartedly. The Flames need to shed anyone sub 6 foot outside of Gaudreau. You can really only have 1 guy like him out of the 20 if you're wanting to win a cup.

I'd easily take Brown over Keller for the Flames even though I don't think Brown is going to be much more than a decent 2nd/3rd line guy. The Flames are in a different position than they were a couple years ago, where lots of things on the team were up in the air. We have 6 of the top 9 forwards set and the top 3 defense. Now it's just a matter of figuring out the balance of the roster spots to compliment the guys we already have.

If the Flames are picking 6th or 7th, and Tkachuk + top 4 are gone, I would not be surprised if Logan Brown was our guy, although that would be somewhat underwhelming.

[GranteedEV]

You can add size and strength and still have small gamebreakers. The Lightning have a roster of relative midgets - Palat, Johnson, Kucherov, Drouin and are still a very strong puck possession team because they play with speed, structure, and compete.

If Keller is the BPA I don't care if he's tiny, I want a Panarin not a Frolik

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

You can add size and strength and still have small gamebreakers. The Lightning have a roster of relative midgets - Palat, Johnson, Kucherov, Drouin and are still a very strong puck possession team because they play with speed, structure, and compete.

If Keller is the BPA I don't care if he's tiny, I want a Panarin not a Frolik

Brown's more like a slightly more talented Joe Colborne. Lets get hyped..... (or not)

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

You can add size and strength and still have small gamebreakers. The Lightning have a roster of relative midgets - Palat, Johnson, Kucherov, Drouin and are still a very strong puck possession team because they play with speed, structure, and compete.

If Keller is the BPA I don't care if he's tiny, I want a Panarin not a Frolik

There are a couple of differences. First they are in the east, who haven't won a cup since Boston and only 2 in the last 9. Boston was built like a current Pacific division team when they mauled the more eastern conference built Vancouver Canucks. Similarly Pittsburgh beat a more finesse team in Detroit. 7 of the last 9 cups won by Anaheim, Chicago, LA, and Boston have been won by thuggish teams.

Second, we are in a division with Anaheim/LA/San Jose, who are comprised of almost entirely massive players. Small teams typically lose to big teams in the playoffs, which makes it tough for the Flames to get through the other annoying teams in our division.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

There are a couple of differences. First they are in the east, who haven't won a cup since Boston and only 2 in the last 9. Boston was built like a current Pacific division team when they mauled the more eastern conference built Vancouver Canucks. Similarly Pittsburgh beat a more finesse team in Detroit. 7 of the last 9 cups won by Anaheim, Chicago, LA, and Boston have been won by thuggish teams.

Second, we are in a division with Anaheim/LA/San Jose, who are comprised of almost entirely massive players. Small teams typically lose to big teams in the playoffs, which makes it tough for the Flames to get through the other annoying teams in our division.

I know all that but you can still have two small players if they're elite talents. Elite Talents are also easier to trade for Elite Talents.

Something about Keller just my full attention. He just seems to have the 'it factor' that you need to win. I still want us to add some size in the right places. Chicago has Hossa, Hjalmarsson, Seabrook despite being a smaller team. But you don't pass up talent when it's accompanied by the full package like with Keller.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

You can add size and strength and still have small gamebreakers. The Lightning have a roster of relative midgets - Palat, Johnson, Kucherov, Drouin and are still a very strong puck possession team because they play with speed, structure, and compete.

If Keller is the BPA I don't care if he's tiny, I want a Panarin not a Frolik

Palat 6'0 - 188
Drouin 5'11 - 188
Kucherov 5'11 - 178
Johnson 5'8 - 185

Panarin 5'11 -170

Keller is listed at 5'9 1/2 - 168
I suspect his height listing may be generous, we'll see at the combine. He's shorter than everybody you mentioned other than Johnson and he's 20 lbs lighter than Johnson. He's teeny tiny. Looked like a little kid out there at the U18s and that was compared to 16 and 17 year olds, not NHLers.

I think it's very unlikely that our management and scouts would have him top 6-7 this year with all the bigger, skilled players available.

[GoJetsGo]

Not to mention, I think Andrew Mangiapane has a good shot at factoring into our long term plans. Between he and Johnny, that is two spots taken up by smaller, slighter players.

Put me in the camp of thinking size combined with skill is going to be much more important going into this draft.

[DomeFoam]

Why dont we keep the trend going and trade our 1st and 2 seconds for malcolm subban?

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

Why dont we keep the trend going and trade our 1st and 2 seconds for malcolm subban?

How about no!

If we are trading our first and two seconds for a goalie it had better be a damn good one with a real track record. Even then I might cringe. I am not sure there is a goalie that would be available that I would give that package for.

[Flames_F.T.W]

I would only trade a high 1st round pick for a young, LEGITIMATE starter with elite upside.... and there aren't too many of those goalies floating around. Realistically, I could see some kind of package involving our 3 2nd rounders for a goalie, but certainly not our 1st.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Uh oh. Ashasx isn't going to be happy haha

That's his tier. Mine would be based on a weighted comparison of multiple publications.

[Flame12]

Draft Lottery while I am at the Comic Expo sucks as my wife will not like me checking my phone every 5 minutes! Bad timing NHL.

[Moneyhands23]

About 60 hours til we find out where we stand. Can't wait, but anxious at the same time!

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

13 of the 36 forwards that were drafted by the teams went in the top 8 (36%)

• 5 - 1st Overall
• 3 - 2nd Overall
• 2 - 3rd Overall
• 1 - 4th Overall
• 0 - 5th Overall
• 1 - 6th Overall
• 1- 7th Overall
• 0 - 8th Overall

6 of the 29 d-men that were drafted by teams went in the top 8 (21%)

• 1- 1st Overall
• 2 - 2nd Overall
• 0 - 3rd Overall
• 1 - 4th Overall
• 1 - 5th Overall
• 1 - 6th Overall
• 0- 7th Overall
• 0 - 8th Overall

So slightly more of the forwards were drafted in the top 8 than d-man - however the majority of that difference is found in the top 3 - where 10 of the 13 forwards that were drafted by their team with a top 8 pick were selected.

Outside of the top 3 though it is pretty even though - 3 forwards vs 3 d-men.

Overall I would say if you are in the top 3 - and there isn't a stud d-man (Doughty/Ekblad type) then take the elite forward.

However in that 4-8 range it is pretty even and if anything probably favours d-men since overall more forwards go in the top 10 then d-men.

Boumeester was taken 3rd overall and Suter at 7th. I count 8 defencemen taken in the top 8 so that brings it up to 28%. That teams have slightly favoured forwards is maybe a mistake.

I still believe that teams are built from the goalie out. Followed by defencemen than centres. The problem is that goalies take longer to develop and so are more of a gamble. Defencemen also take a little longer than forwards so having a good scouting system is needed.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Boumeester was taken 3rd overall and Suter at 7th. I count 8 defencemen taken in the top 8 so that brings it up to 28%. That teams have slightly favoured forwards is maybe a mistake.

I still believe that teams are built from the goalie out. Followed by defencemen than centres. The problem is that goalies take longer to develop and so are more of a gamble. Defencemen also take a little longer than forwards so having a good scouting system is needed.

Was looking at how they were acquired by the team that they are playing for currently - so if they were drafted top 8 and then were acquired as a trade or UFA they wouldn't have been included.

Seguin is also not included as a forward draft pick in the top 8 for this reason.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

That's his tier. Mine would be based on a weighted comparison of multiple publications.

I'm the other way.

I've always found Button's opinion way more valuable a) because he's had some interesting calls that worked out but b) because he isn't averaged.

He's a guy that has done it and gives you his opinion.

When McKenzie goes out and gets 10 guys opinions you kind of cancel out the intrigue with an average and it doesn't tell you anything.

I want to see the guy that ignores Virtanen at 5 and has him out of the first round. Or has Sanheim in the top ten when he was at 40.

More interesting.