06-29-2025, 01:42 PM
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#2861
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by really?
If that was offered, I’d be pretty confident Andersson would be on Columbus today. Columbus,Montreal and the rest of the league consider Dobson to be a first pairing guy. Andersson is good, but not Dobson good.
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It’s the extension part that probably killed it.
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06-29-2025, 01:43 PM
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#2862
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by really?
If that was offered, I’d be pretty confident Andersson would be on Columbus today. Columbus,Montreal and the rest of the league consider Dobson to be a first pairing guy. Andersson is good, but not Dobson good.
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Well, if it was Voronkov and 14 sure, the Flames would move Razz. But as we have learned today, Razz wasn't signing any extensions and potential deals died because they didn't want to move those assets without an extended Razz .
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06-29-2025, 01:44 PM
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#2863
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Franchise Player
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1939408910194249911
Come back to the table with a real offer Vegas.
To VGK: Rasmus Andersson (50% retained)
To CGY: 2026 2nd Round Pick, 2027 1st Round Pick, 2027 2nd Round Pick
That would give CGY:
2026 1st Round Picks: CGY, VGK
2026 2nd Round Picks: CGY, VGK
2026 3rd Round Picks: CGY, VAN
2026 4th Round Picks: CGY
2026 5th Round Picks: CGY
2026 7th Round Picks: None
2027 1st Round Picks: CGY, VGK
2027 2nd Round Picks: CGY, VGK
2027 3rd Round Picks: CGY
2027 4th Round Picks: CGY
2027 5th Round Picks: CGY
2027 7th Round Picks: CGY
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06-29-2025, 01:44 PM
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#2864
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MissTeeks
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Oilers finally realized the Perry curse is real.
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06-29-2025, 01:48 PM
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#2866
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Also, 6 veterans traded the year prior (including top G, C, 2/4 top six W, and 2/4 top 4 D), a second year head coach without success the year prior, lowest league payroll.
Some fans: “Gee it’d be really nice if they were honest with themselves and stopped trying to hold onto all the veterans and compete for the playoffs all the time!”
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Actually trading vets just isn't the evidence of trading vets it used to be.
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06-29-2025, 01:52 PM
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#2867
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
They tried to keep them all minus Zadorov and Toffoli
You’re on both sides of the fence here. With a team like Florida who is aggressive and a team like Calgary who seems to be soft with players emotions and the locker room.
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If you keep saying it, maybe it'll become true?
If they wanted to keep any of them, they would have offered them more money - they had $20M in cap space.
The comments about offers were part of the process - if you are 100% not going to sign them, the offers get worse.
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06-29-2025, 01:53 PM
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#2868
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja
I'm prepared for an underwhelming return for Andersson. Might as well get the best that you can if Ras controls the cards as far as who he'll extend with
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I'm ready to be whelmed. Over or under.
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06-29-2025, 01:53 PM
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#2869
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
Well, if it was Voronkov and 14 sure, the Flames would move Razz. But as we have learned today, Razz wasn't signing any extensions and potential deals died because they didn't want to move those assets without an extended Razz .
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Likely true, but this is part of the problem of letting these situations languish. I don’t blame Andersson for looking out for his own interests, but barring something unforeseen and knowing what we now know about his intentions, Andersson’s peak value was at the past deadline and the league now knows this.
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06-29-2025, 01:53 PM
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#2870
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Badgers Nose
It’s the extension part that probably killed it.
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Yeah, they were my only hope for a team with a higher pick in an Andersson trade. If the plan was to trade Andersson for futures then holding onto to him into this year didn’t really make sense. Should have traded him at the same time as Markstrom.
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06-29-2025, 01:57 PM
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#2871
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Participant 
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Originally Posted by D as in David
Actually trading vets just isn't the evidence of trading vets it used to be.
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True, they did try to keep all of them after all. We know this because they didn’t keep any of them, but did make offers that weren’t close to what they were willing to accept even despite all those players wanting to stay.
Can’t get any credit for trading a vet if you lowball a contract offer their way first! At that point all credit goes to the graceful vet for declining our malfeasance and saving us from ourselves.
Oh and fire everyone!
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06-29-2025, 02:03 PM
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#2872
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
If you keep saying it, maybe it'll become true?
If they wanted to keep any of them, they would have offered them more money - they had $20M in cap space.
The comments about offers were part of the process - if you are 100% not going to sign them, the offers get worse.
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Go back and look or maybe that maybe difficult for. L
Hanifin agreed to terms backing out during our losing streak. That took another run at Tanev before trading him it was term that was the issue.
They didn’t go into the season with a plan to trade vets they got forced into. Do some research or stop replying to me I told you twice
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06-29-2025, 02:12 PM
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#2873
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by really?
Absent a trade, Calgary won’t have a player of Andersson’s value to take his spot on the roster, so there is very much an “on ice” value to entering the season with Andersson still on the team. The team is almost certainly worse if he’s not on the roster to begin the season, and whether some fans like it or not icing an inferior roster is quite low on the Flames motives in dealing Andersson.
Having said that, I agree with you that he should be moved asap, and I can envision a number of things occurring that might harpoon a trade the longer he is a member of the team. At this point I imagine that Andersson’s representatives and the team are learning he has value around the league, but it’s as a second pairing guy, which limits his value and may make re-signing with the team a legitimate possibility. This may not be what some want to hear, but at this point the value of retaining the player may outweigh the value in trading him, and if this is the case it’s just part of the cost of chasing a spot this past season.
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I agree that the team likely takes a step back if he’s not on the team. Of course I thought the same last summer and the team was better not worse. Though, again, I think that they are worse without Rasmus. I tend to think that Conroy’s plan is not a full scale tear down in one year but a gradual replacing of older players for younger prospects. Honestly, his plan seems good to me. Do his best to maximize assets and lean into drafting, which has been a strength of this team for the last while.
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06-29-2025, 02:13 PM
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#2874
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Auckland, NZ
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Pieterangelo maybe out for the year?
Then this is the perfect time then NOT to trade Rasmus to Vegas - let's watch them fall on their asses all the way to hell and make their 2026 1st rounder extra special for us!
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06-29-2025, 02:17 PM
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#2875
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Muta
Pieterangelo maybe out for the year?
Then this is the perfect time then NOT to trade Rasmus to Vegas - let's watch them fall on their asses all the way to hell and make their 2026 1st rounder extra special for us!
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Trade Miromanov back to them.
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06-29-2025, 02:17 PM
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#2876
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Ped
Different situations, though.
Tuch was traded in the Eichel trade. Tatar was traded in the Pacioretty trade. Both were traded to get a better asset back.
Smith, Schmidt, and Miller were all traded for salary cap reasons, essentially, iirc.
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For sure, those are different situations. MTL didn't hesitate to trade us Toffoli with term left, when they thought it was time for a retool. They sent Petry away with term as well, can't remember about Hoffman, Allen, and Karlsson, and I'm too lazy to check. The Islanders didn't become a team of mercenaries just because they traded us Hamonic for a 1st + 2 x 2nds. Are those good teams? No, but MTL is on the rise now.
Good teams make a different type of trade like you've outlined. The point was that teams trade players with term all the time, and players understand that it's a business.
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06-29-2025, 02:17 PM
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#2877
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Saqe
I'm ready to be whelmed. Over or under.
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06-29-2025, 02:21 PM
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#2878
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Scoring Winger
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I still don’t understand the resistance to the idea that a player signed to a good contract remains an asset in the organization. It seems to me that Conroy has corrected two of the biggest weaknesses from Treliving: stop bleeding draft picks for trades and iffy free agents (in other words lean into drafting to build team) and don’t let free agents walk for nothing.
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06-29-2025, 02:24 PM
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#2879
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NegativeSpace
I agree that the team likely takes a step back if he’s not on the team. Of course I thought the same last summer and the team was better not worse. Though, again, I think that they are worse without Rasmus. I tend to think that Conroy’s plan is not a full scale tear down in one year but a gradual replacing of older players for younger prospects. Honestly, his plan seems good to me. Do his best to maximize assets and lean into drafting, which has been a strength of this team for the last while.
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On the same page. I really believe that if Conroy is able to swing a deal for another first rounder in 2026, given the team’s recent history in the draft, the acquisition phase of the ‘tool will be nearing an end and the Flames will be entering the development stage. Maybe the picks don’t work out, but given the early returns it appears that Conroy and Co. look to know what they’re doing.
I thought some dynamite was required a couple of years ago, Conroy saw it differently, and to date it appears his vision was closer to 20/20 then mine.
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06-29-2025, 02:26 PM
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#2880
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Franchise Player
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Sure would be nice if Ras would sign an extension in Vegas. They are a legit cup contender in a highly desired locale, and then the Flames could get better value for trading him there.
Of course, those crooked SOBs would probably tell his camp not to sign one prior to any trade so they can get him cheaper and then simply extend him afterwards.
Kind of like how Hanifin wouldn't sign any extensions prior to being traded on March 6th but then had no problem signing one a little over a month later on April 11th.
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