2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Noodles was on Barn Burner the other day and was kind of critical of how Markstrom handled the question. He felt it was inappropriate for him to say what he did, but understands the feeling.

Rhett more or less said the same thing today too. Suggest that Markstrom, if that's he feels, just call up Murray and say trade me and not do it though the media.

Originally Posted by The Fonz

So this is what Markstrom meant then when he said "could have been handled better up top"?

That's the clear implication we have now.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The reports were that he tore a strip off Gaudreau in trying to get him to sign the deal he thought he agreed to.

TBQH, Edwards wasn't the only one who tore a strip off Gaudreau after what happened.

[devo22]

not holding my breath regarding another Flames deal ahead of the deadline. Still hope a Markstrom trade materializes, but with him starting tonight, I just don't see it. With all the key UFAs dealt with, I wouldn't be surprised if we were done. Hope I'm wrong.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

TBQH, Edwards wasn't the only one who tore a strip off Gaudreau after what happened.

I can't imagine what it would be like to for Brad and the brain trust that day.
Connie even said, last fall, they thought it was done that night.

[Solstice]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

So what. Are you afraid we’ll miss the playoffs?

I think it’s less about performance and how the team does than it is for getting reps in. 3 goalies getting roughly 25-30 games each? It’s like having 3 backups lol

[dissentowner]

There is nothing imminent for sure on Markstrom or at least nothing I am hearing, from what I am hearing the Flames expect to have Markstrom still past deadline day. I am also hearing that Vladar ask is a 2nd rnd pick and that the Flames really don't want to move him. Still think there is #1 goalie upside there and once Markstrom is moved in the offseason they can tandem him and Wolf next season. Teams are definitely calling about Mangiapane who Conroy has put out there as a guy that's available. Hearing this is where they will use their other retention spot if they can get a deal done.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

There is nothing imminent for sure on Markstrom or at least nothing I am hearing, from what I am hearing the Flames expect to have Markstrom still past deadline day. I am also hearing that Vladar ask is a 2nd rnd pick and that the Flames really don't want to move him. Still think there is #1 goalie upside there and once Markstrom is moved in the offseason they can tandem him and Wolf next season. Teams are definitely calling about Mangiapane who Conroy has put out there as a guy that's available. Hearing this is where they will use their other retention spot if they can get a deal done.

Iiiiiiiiinteresting!

Thanks!

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Solstice

I think it’s less about performance and how the team does than it is for getting reps in. 3 goalies getting roughly 25-30 games each? It’s like having 3 backups lol

I hear you. I think one of the goalies will be moved over the summer, if not tomorrow.

[dammage79]

Been saying it for a week or two now but Mangiapane and Detroit make a boatload of sense.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

There is nothing imminent for sure on Markstrom or at least nothing I am hearing, from what I am hearing the Flames expect to have Markstrom still past deadline day. I am also hearing that Vladar ask is a 2nd rnd pick and that the Flames really don't want to move him. Still think there is #1 goalie upside there and once Markstrom is moved in the offseason they can tandem him and Wolf next season. Teams are definitely calling about Mangiapane who Conroy has put out there as a guy that's available. Hearing this is where they will use their other retention spot if they can get a deal done.

Disappointed with the Markstrom news, as I really think the offers will be the same or worse in the summer. Hope I'm wrong, but now seems like a great time to grab some more picks (ideally NJ 1st) rather than have Markstrom steal some games down the stretch here

[devo22]

I have no idea what a Mangiapane with retention could be worth. He was always unlikely to repeat his 35 goal season, but he's still a solid 45 point guy. Teams could surely use someone like him, especially if we retain some money.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

There is nothing imminent for sure on Markstrom or at least nothing I am hearing, from what I am hearing the Flames expect to have Markstrom still past deadline day. I am also hearing that Vladar ask is a 2nd rnd pick and that the Flames really don't want to move him. Still think there is #1 goalie upside there and once Markstrom is moved in the offseason they can tandem him and Wolf next season. Teams are definitely calling about Mangiapane who Conroy has put out there as a guy that's available. Hearing this is where they will use their other retention spot if they can get a deal done.

So stupid to sit on Markstrom if they think Vladar is a #1. Thanks Edwards.

[Calgary4LIfe]

My guess is Markstrom gets dealt in the off-season. NJ is probably not going to up their offer right now with the season looking lost. Stranger things have happened, but I do doubt it.


The nice thing about having defensive prospects as part of the returns on trades is that it allows the organization to not suck for as long. Defencemen take more time to develop and usually blossom later. By having this relative pile of them now - with varying strengths - they can ripen alongside the expected influx of new incoming draft picks. Flames really didn't have much defensive depth in the pipeline, but now they are relatively deep.


Added:

Brzustewicz
Jurmo
Pachal
Miromanov
Grushnikov


That's a nice influx of varying ages, abilities and floors and ceilings.



Chicago drafted Seabrook, Keith, Byfuglien and Hjalmarsson ahead of Toews and Kane.


Forwards are much easier to scout than defencemen (and goalies). To add guys who are further along their development paths will only help this team start to be competitive sooner.


I also don't buy for a second that this team is going to start spending this draft capital all that much in an effort to start winning immediately. Most picks will be used on draft selections. It gives the Flames more ammo to move up and down, that's for sure. I am positive that a portion of it will be used to take advantage of teams that need the cap space, so the Flames will buy some players this upcoming off-season of course. I just think that Conroy - who seems to have a very good focus on the scouting and development side - would deviate too much from actually trying to draft the next core.


Sharangovic, Mangiapane, Kuzmenko - these are all guys that will probably not be moved this year. If they are moved, it will be starting in the off-season, or at the deadline next season, dependent on how they are doing, what the appetite is from either side to re-sign, etc. There will be a larger market for them next season as expiring UFAs. It also allows them to build up trade value. Let them rebound offensively.

[ForeverFlameFan]

We are cluttered at wing, so it would definitely make sense to deal Mangiapane if we can get a good return for him. Have to think 25% (1.45m) off of 5.8m would be enticing for a team out there.

[Macho0978]

Hopefully we move Mangiapane, IMO Pelletier deserves a better shot with better players. Rumors also suggest he isn't happy since they lost Tkachuk and Gaudreau. If he does want out, let's do it now so we can get more ice for some kids with the 2 great mentors we have while they still play high end hockey.

[Solstice]

If we keep Markstrom until the summer, do we want him to do well so his value stays high, or do we want him to suck so our pick gets better? Lol

[saillias]

I never really bought the "we'll do this in the offseason" line about player movement and business you know you need to do. It is just procrastinating because trades are hard. It won't be any easier in summer. In fact could be more difficult.

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Rhett more or less said the same thing today too. Suggest that Markstrom, if that's he feels, just call up Murray and say trade me and not do it though the media.




That's the clear implication we have now.

Meh, normally I would agree but don't necessarily care either if it exposes Edward's incompetence. People around the league are getting a clear picture of who this guys is. Not an ideal place to be a GM considering it's a small market Canadian team with an intrusive owner.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by saillias

I never really bought the "we'll do this in the offseason" line about player movement and business you know you need to do. It is just procrastinating because trades are hard. It won't be any easier in summer. In fact could be more difficult.

You really believe that the guy who has made 5 big trades already in one season is being lazy and procrastinating?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Mangipane trade would be awesome. Overpaid for what he brings.

He was paid to score goals simple as that, and he doesn't.