2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Your obsession with dealing Bennett is laughable. If he’s as bad as you say he is then his value isn’t high either,

Your obsession to never ever criticize his play is probably the most laughable thing on this board. I’m not gung-ho to get rid of him but I couldn’t imagine not looking at trading him, especially for a player like that. That said, I can’t see how that would ever get it done.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Are you very sad when guys like Poirier and Hunter Smith dont get offers? I mean they are young too. Damn, the Flames management have no patience at all. You should write them a letter.

You're off base on a few things.

Sam won't be waived. That's ridiculous.

Parsons Bennett Smith for Bobrovsky makes little sense. Most Goalies take years to develop, why would the Flames move Parsons at this point? Bobrovsky is unlikely to resign in Calgary. When was the last time a Russian UFA signed in Calgary? Bobrovsky's going to a major US market. Lastly, the Flames like Smith. Unlikely he's moved. And it won't be for a player who would walk at the end of this season.

The Poirier Smith compatibles are just silly. not even worth acknowledging really.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Don’t see the parallel there bud. Nice try though

1 is a young NHLer who struggled under a bad coach. The other two are failed prospects.

Struggled under a bad coach... I dont like GG but that sounds like an excuse to me. Other players had career years under same coach.

Two failed prospects?! They were high picks and only 22/23. Man, some people on here have no patience. They could have turned it around with a new coach in Stockton, they obviously struggled under a bad coach.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by TOfan

You're off base on a few things.

Sam won't be waived. That's ridiculous.

Parsons Bennett Smith for Bobrovsky makes little sense. Most Goalies take years to develop, why would the Flames move Parsons at this point? Bobrovsky is unlikely to resign in Calgary. When was the last time a Russian UFA signed in Calgary? Bobrovsky's going to a major US market. Lastly, the Flames like Smith. Unlikely he's moved. And it won't be for a player who would walk at the end of this season.

The Poirier Smith compatibles are just silly. not even worth acknowledging really.

1. Why wont Sam be waived? Yakupov basically did and same with other young players. Averaging 26 points on the third line isn't very exciting.

2. Are you Bobrovskys wife? You seem to know a lot about what he wants. The russian factor is completely irrelevant unless you wanna stereotype.

3. All young players who underachieved. Except one got NHL playing time gift wrapped to them because of his draft position. Why does Bennerr deserve more chances? Other than his draft pedigree.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by keenan87

1. Why wont Sam be waived? Yakupov did.

Because Sam is already a better 2-way NHL’er than Yakupov ever was. Yakupov was useless while Bennett has proven that he’s capable of being a bottom-end 3rd line winger while not playing with good line mates.

I suppose there’s no sense in continuing to debate Bennett. There’s been plenty of information shared on this board that show Bennett has played like a 3rd liner, while playing with bad, non-NHL talent (Jankowski being pretty much the only exception in the last two years).

Just let the kid play and see how he does under a new coach and on a line that features 2 other true NHL quality players. See what happens.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Because Sam is already a better 2-way NHL’er than Yakupov ever was. Yakupov was useless while Bennett has proven to be a lower-end 3rd line winger while playing with a boatload of non-NHL talent.

Thats your opinion and thats fair.

But there are other players that might prove to be better than him in camp and may have a lot more potential than 3rd line winger (maybe Klimchuk is ready) Then what? Lets send em all back down to the farm again.

As for playing with boatload of non-NHL talent... maybe Bennett is one of them?

Edit. Saw your most recent edited post. I would love for him to prove me wrong but I agree, no use debating it further.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

No actually its still way too early to say that. Kid just turned 22. That’s younger than Jankowski before he made the NHL.



Some of you have no patience at all. It’s sad

Lol, 4 years is plenty of patience. Trying to compare Bennett and Jankowski because they are of similar age is a farce. You do realize Jankowski spent 4 years in college right and a full season in the AHL right? The big difference is Jankowski got better every passing year in NCAA/AHL while Bennett has gotten worse. Also, did I say he was a complete bust? No, I said he’s a serviceable bottom 6 forward which will still be better than 99% of the total players drafted that year. I’d love for you to show me an example of a player who has gotten worse for 3 consecutive seasons after being drafted and still became a first line player.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Thats your opinion and thats fair.

But there are other players that might prove to be better than him in camp and may have a lot more potential than 3rd line winger (maybe Klimchuk is ready) Then what? Lets send em all back down to the farm again.

As for playing with boatload of non-NHL talent... maybe Bennett is one of them?

Then you act accordingly, why would you waive him?

Bennett had a very strong rookie season, and then two “stalled” years under a head coach who is no longer a head coach, while spending the majority of those two years playing with players that are no longer in the NHL or are actively on their way out. Do you think that’s good player development? Do you see any other teams taking their young players after a strong rookie season and almost actively try to weigh them down with dead weight on their lines? Good teams generally help young players by having them play with good veterans. The Flames actively went out and signed bad veteran players and slapped them on Bennett’s line. (I know it was by mistake, but the poor building of the bottom 6 in the past few years can’t be ignored).


This is an important year for Bennett. I’m hopeful he can put up 40 points while not getting much in the way of PP ice time.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by keenan87

1. Why wont Sam be waived? Yakupov basically did and same with other young players. Averaging 26 points on the third line isn't very exciting.

2. Are you Bobrovskys wife? You seem to know a lot about what he wants. The russian factor is completely irrelevant unless you wanna stereotype.

3. All young players who underachieved. Except one got NHL playing time gift wrapped to them because of his draft position. Why does Bennerr deserve more chances? Other than his draft pedigree.

No. Sam won't be waived. I would say he's worth a second, or a number of mid round picks.

No, Bobrovsky will not be coming to Calgary.i'll go out on a limb and state that right now. Call it a hunch.

Piorier is specifically a poor comparison because his issues were what was happening with his life off the ice. Sam Bennett has better stats in he NHL than hunter smith has in the AHL. You're embarrassing yourself.

All three of your arguments are pretty flimsy. Bennett scored 18 as a rookie, he's not chopped liver.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by TOfan

No. Sam won't be waived. I would say he's worth a second, or a number of mid round picks.

No, Bobrovsky will not be coming to Calgary.i'll go out on a limb and state that right now. Call it a hunch.

He's not chopped liver. Piorier is specifically a poor comparison because his issues were what was happening with his life off the ice. Sam Bennett has better stats in he NHL than hunter smith has in the AHL. You're embarrassing yourself.

All three of your arguments are pretty flimsy. Bennett scored 18 as a rookie, he's not chopped liver.

Lots of players have great rookie seasons and then suck. Not sure what you are trying to prove. This is not as rare as you think. GMs pay for potential with young players not based on what they did 3 years ago.

Mod edit- no need to insult people

[pokerNhockey]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Struggled under a bad coach... I dont like GG but that sounds like an excuse to me. Other players had career years under same coach.

Two failed prospects?! They were high picks and only 22/23. Man, some people on here have no patience. They could have turned it around with a new coach in Stockton, they obviously struggled under a bad coach.

• One is a prospect who didn't ever show he could even be a contribute in the AHL, and was drafted more for his size then his talent.
• One is a highly regarded prospect who's career went off the rails due to alcohol addiction. Was unable to consistently be more than a 3rd line AHLer, passed by numerous younger prospects.
• One is a player who from 18 has proven he is an NHL player even if he doesn't improve at all from here, struggled with consistency issues caused by confidence rather then talent, has shown he can play with talented players when given the chance, and has shown glimmers that if he can put it together he could be a stud (i.e., 4 goal game, playoff beast mode in 2015 and 2017).

One of those definitely should be cut, one you could make an argument that he might still put it together if he can get past his demons, but got passed on the depth chart so probably wouldn't get the opportunity here, and one might not have lived up to expectations, but is certainly an NHLer.

[sureLoss]

Don't think Yakupov was ever on waivers.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Then you act accordingly, why would you waive him?

Bennett had a very strong rookie season, and then two “stalled” years under a head coach who is no longer a head coach, while spending the majority of those two years playing with players that are no longer in the NHL or are actively on their way out. Do you think that’s good player development? Do you see any other teams taking their young players after a strong rookie season and almost actively try to weigh them down with dead weight on their lines? Good teams generally help young players by having them play with good veterans. The Flames actively went out and signed bad veteran players and slapped them on Bennett’s line. (I know it was by mistake, but the poor building of the bottom 6 in the past few years can’t be ignored).


This is an important year for Bennett. I’m hopeful he can put up 40 points while not getting much in the way of PP ice time.

You waive him if no one else wants him in a trade. In that case, you play the best players and waive the players who dont make the final roster.

I am not saying only waive him. Thats only an option if no one wants him.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Lots of players have great rookie seasons and then suck. Not sure what you are trying to prove. This is not as rare as you think. GMs pay for potential with young players not based on what they did 3 years ago.

It’s definitely not rare, but I look at how young talented players are generally developed at the NHL level and then I look at how the Flames have handled Bennett, and how they’ve filled out their bottom 6 in the last two years and I see absolute failure on the Flames behalf.

Bennett has struggled. He has fought inconsistencies like most other young players do - but the Flames have tossed him anchors when they should have been tossing him life preservers.

Bennett’s season is one of the most intriguing storylines for me this year. The improved depth up front is going to be huge for helping him and other young players develop.

Can you imagine if we had re-signed Stajan and not bought out Brouwer? What if Dube then did earn a roster spot? Dube - Stajan - Brouwer? Oh my, what a waste. We actually saw this happen to Mangiapane last year at the NHL level and Bennett the year before.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Lots of players have great rookie seasons and then suck. Not sure what you are trying to prove. This is not as rare as you think. GMs pay for potential with young players not based on what they did 3 years ago.

It's okay, you aren't very smart enjoy your Saturday!

Not sure what I'm trying to prove? That answers a lot. You quoted my argument.

Sam won't be waived.

I think your trade proposal makes little to no sense for a number of reasons.

And your piorier/hunter smith comparisons are way off base.

[kukkudo]

Hope Bennett can turn it around this season otherwise I see him on another team by trade deadline or next summer.

[Harry Lime]

It would be great if we can make a list of the posters who have given up on Bennett, so when I'm reading the threads I can keep a bowl full of grains of salt next to my monitor.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Then you act accordingly, why would you waive him?

Bennett had a very strong rookie season, and then two “stalled” years under a head coach who is no longer a head coach, while spending the majority of those two years playing with players that are no longer in the NHL or are actively on their way out. Do you think that’s good player development? Do you see any other teams taking their young players after a strong rookie season and almost actively try to weigh them down with dead weight on their lines? Good teams generally help young players by having them play with good veterans. The Flames actively went out and signed bad veteran players and slapped them on Bennett’s line. (I know it was by mistake, but the poor building of the bottom 6 in the past few years can’t be ignored).


This is an important year for Bennett. I’m hopeful he can put up 40 points while not getting much in the way of PP ice time.

There seems to be this running narrative/excuse that Bennett has not progressed due to poor linemates. Bennett actually spent only 5.6% of his time on a line with Brouwer. The majority of his TOI was spent with Jankowski, Hathaway and Jagr. Say what you want about Hathaway as a player but somehow Jankowski was still able to put to put up just 1 less point than Bennett (in 10 less games) while playing with Hathaway and with way less PP time than Bennett had. Bennett has spent more time playing with Johnny and Mony than he has with Brouwer. His lack of production is not the fault of “bad line mates.”

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

It would be great if we can make a list of the posters who have given up on Bennett, so when I'm reading the threads I can keep a bowl full of grains of salt next to my monitor.

Its not very hard, you can do it yourself! Don't be lazy now and you can help lots of other posters too!

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Don't think Yakupov was ever on waivers.

I figured and edited my post. But not signing a player is pretty close to waiving them imo.