Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

A healthy Letang is a Norris hopeful ... Certainly a top tier D man

Who was drafted in the third round. Gotta take the center with the high Flames pick, zero doubt about it.

[Ashasx]

I like Nurse. He's a top 5 pick, if not top 3, in last year's draft.

But when you have the opportunity to draft a super skilled centre like Lindholm, who's physical and crafty... I just can't pass that up.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

A healthy Letang is a Norris hopeful ... Certainly a top tier D man

If you put letang on florida he'd struggle to get 30 points. He puts up numbers because heplays with Crosby and Malkin.

Good solid player but not in the same category as a Lidstrom, Keith, Karlsson or Weber IMO

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I like Nurse. He's a top 5 pick, if not top 3, in last year's draft.

But when you have the opportunity to draft a super skilled centre like Lindholm, who's physical and crafty... I just can't pass that up.

Yes I'm on board with this sentiment. Nurse is going to be real good but if Barkov is gone the Flames need to take Lindholm at 5 or 6. Desperately need that top centre prospect. Maybe even trade down a slot if somebody wants Nurse or Nikushkin and we're picking 5th.

The Russian has top 4 talent but he's way too risky and a winger too boot.

Monahan isn't in the same category offensively as Lindholm, Barkov or Nikushkin (sp?)

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by bucksmasher

Point taken. But is it more of a gamble reaching for a Monahan or Lindholm(liking less and less) or Niskarussian?

just curious why are you liking lindholm less and less?

and would you mind doing a top ten from a flames perspective?

for me it's

1 mackinnon
2 barkov
3 druin
4 monohan
5 lindholm
6 jones
7 nichuskin
8 nurse
9 pulock
10 ristolianen

[nik-]

For those who have Monahan before Lindholm, what's the reason? Size? I'm interested in learning more about what people love about him.

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by handgroen

just curious why are you liking lindholm less and less?

and would you mind doing a top ten from a flames perspective?

for me it's

1 mackinnon
2 barkov
3 druin
4 monohan
5 lindholm
6 jones
7 nichuskin
8 nurse
9 pulock
10 ristolianen

Just going off of multiple sources projecting limited potential some as bad as 2-3 liner.

As for a list I'd have jones 3rd barkov 4th and the rest is a crap shoot.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by nik-

For those who have Monahan before Lindholm, what's the reason? Size? I'm interested in learning more about what people love about him.

Someone had the brains to go out and relate his game to one Jonathan Toews.
Also think nationality has something to do with it.
Size.

Other than that, I cannot see why Monahan should be given preference over Lindholm.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by nik-

For those who have Monahan before Lindholm, what's the reason? Size? I'm interested in learning more about what people love about him.

I think that's part of it. Monahan seems to be more of that prototypical big first line centremen. Mind you, I'm not expert on either of them, much less both of them.. but I really like what Monahan brings to the table.

Don't think the Flames can go wrong with either of them though. Hopefully a team in front of us picks the Russian so we have more options with our pick.

[Badgers Nose]

If flames miss out on jones and get pick 2 or 3 they should teade down a few spots for monnahan and get a 2nd.

I'd like them to get 2x centre and a big mean d first round.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If flames miss out on jones and get pick 2 or 3 they should teade down a few spots for monnahan and get a 2nd.

I'd like them to get 2x centre and a big mean d first round.

No way, take MacKinnon or Drouin and run. You'd prefer Monahan and a 2nd over either of them?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Someone had the brains to go out and relate his game to one Jonathan Toews.
Also think nationality has something to do with it.
Size.

Other than that, I cannot see why Monahan should be given preference over Lindholm.

To be fair, the name attached to Lindholm is Forsberg ... so it's ridiculous all around.

Really, as long as the Flames go center, I'm pretty happy, but I'm still leaning Lindholm. Either way, we're going to get a great prospect. This is awesome.

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If flames miss out on jones and get pick 2 or 3 they should teade down a few spots for monnahan and get a 2nd.

I'd like them to get 2x centre and a big mean d first round.

There is no possible way to get the 2nd or 3rd pick other then trading for them so you have nothing to worry about.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

Anyone else a little nervous at the prospect of Jay Feaster dealing some of the 1st rounders for "Pre-Apex" players? personally I hope they keep the picks and get some good young talent to develop internally. I'm not a season ticket holder, but the prospect of the team sucking next year and having another lottery pick doesn't bother me at all.

I am a STH, though I certainly don't claim to speak for others.

I would MUCH rather see the Flames remain patient and do a rebuild properly than try to cut corners and be competitive as quickly as possible.

I would not be happy to see one of the picks traded for a player in the 25-27 range. In all likelihood, that player is gone before the Flames are good again.

We're here now - we're rebuilding. So let's do it right. I want to see a plan, and I want to see patience to execute that plan.

As a STH, I don't mind continuing to pay to see kids that are developing and putting in the kind of effort that we have seen for the past few weeks.

The problem comes when, after 4 or 5 years of rebuilding, the team isn't making progress because management doesn't know how to build a team

[Matty81]

Monahan is a safer pick than Lindholm according to the scouting reports. I think people would advocate for him because he can play a two way game and has size, thus if he fails to become a top 2 line pivot he'll almost certainly be a 3rd liner at worst. Also to echo an earlier poster, people like his intangibles... he's a young guy who is a captain already, has good character, is Canadian.

Lindholm has already been scoring in the top league in Sweden against fairly talented men whereas Monahan is playing against 16-20 year olds but the perception because he is a smaller Swede who puts up numbers is that he may be more boom or bust. I think that's unfounded. When you read articles about him his work ethic and his leadership are talked up big time, also he's 6 feet tall so there's no size issue to me. link

I'd be happy with either but think you give the edge to Lindholm based on his resume. Clutch and grab has gone way down in the last ten years and being 6'2" over 6'0" is valuable but overrated, especially in your skilled players. Go with the higher upside.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by nik-

To be fair, the name attached to Lindholm is Forsberg ... so it's ridiculous all around.

Really, as long as the Flames go center, I'm pretty happy, but I'm still leaning Lindholm. Either way, we're going to get a great prospect. This is awesome.

I fully agree, I will be happy either way. For me it's Lindholm but not because of the Forsberg references, it's because he plays like a honeybadger. Getting out of the draft with at least one of them is of the utmost importance.

Zykov would be an awesome addition later in the round as well. That size and speed are exactly what the Flames need.

[Tinordi]

I'd rather Forsberg than Toews.

In all seriousness, Lindholm looks like a better prospect from my limited viewing.

[nik-]

The best thing about drafting Lindholm is people can recycle all their Regehr jerseys with a new Nameplate!

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Monahan is a safer pick than Lindholm according to the scouting reports. I think people would advocate for him because he can play a two way game and has size, thus if he fails to become a top 2 line pivot he'll almost certainly be a 3rd liner at worst. Also to echo an earlier poster, people like his intangibles... he's a young guy who is a captain already, has good character, is Canadian.

Lindholm has already been scoring in the top league in Sweden against fairly talented men whereas Monahan is playing against 16-20 year olds but the perception because he is a smaller Swede who puts up numbers is that he may be more boom or bust. I think that's unfounded. When you read articles about him his work ethic and his leadership are talked up big time, also he's 6 feet tall so there's no size issue to me. link

I'd be happy with either but think you give the edge to Lindholm based on his resume. Clutch and grab has gone way down in the last ten years and being 6'2" over 6'0" is valuable but overrated, especially in your skilled players. Go with the higher upside.

He became the captain after they traded away every other decent player on the team. Not that its a big blow to his case... but worth noting that he wasn't the captain when they had other decent vets on the team.

[Miniac]

Originally Posted by nik-

For those who have Monahan before Lindholm, what's the reason? Size? I'm interested in learning more about what people love about him.

He has all the tools you'd want in a centre, the size his big powerful. Great vision and high hockey IQ. He can play in all areas of the ice. But like I have said before what interests me the most is his face off ability. He was voted by the OHL's coaches as the 3rd best face off man in the Easter conference.