2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Markstrom at full freight with no retention and that is an ok trade.

I think you’re overestimating the value of a 34 year old goalie. Flames might get a 1st for him, but top 10? That’s a reach. And I don’t think throwing in the 27-32 pick would move the needle a great deal either. Flames retain salary? Maybe.

Also have to consider who else might be interested in Markstrom and what assets would those teams be willing to move? Take the Kings for example. Their first, assuming that’s what the Flames want, is 21. Big difference between 10 and 21. Especially in this years draft where apparently there’s a drop after 12 and it’s not considered to be a deep draft.

I would find Markstrom, full freight, and van pick to LA for 21 and another pick to be more realistic.

[Saqe]

Marner makes way too much money for the disappearing act that he does in the playoffs. Almost all of his points are cookie points, heard a stat that in games 4,5 and 6 he has 9 points in 23 games.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Marner makes way too much money for the disappearing act that he does in the playoffs. Almost all of his points are cookie points, heard a stat that in games 4,5 and 6 he has 9 points in 23 games.

Said it over the weekend. If the Flames were to make a move for Marner, they should then flip him to a team looking to make a splash, ie Utah.

Marner to Utah for 6OA and Barrett Hayton. Flames draft Iginla/Lindstrom and which ever D falls to 9.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Said it over the weekend. If the Flames were to make a move for Marner, they should then flip him to a team looking to make a splash, ie Utah.

Marner to Utah for 6OA and Barrett Hayton. Flames draft Iginla/Lindstrom and which ever D falls to 9.

Calgary is not trading for Marner for many reasons. But to think he'd approve a trade to Calgary to be immediately flipped to Utah?

[SaskyFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Markstrom and Van 1st for 10th overall

Draft Iginla and one of the dmen or centers

Do it!!!!

I’d even retain in this scenario. Getting 2 top 10 picks this year would move the rebuild ahead at a pretty good pace, assuming they hit with the picks.

Would also mean another likely high pick next year. 3 top 10’s in 2 years would be amazing.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Marner to Utah for 6OA and Barrett Hayton. Flames draft Iginla/Lindstrom and which ever D falls to 9.

This kind of stuff works on the xbox but not in reality with NMC's in place.

It's nice to think about, but won't happen.

[Toonage]

Crazy thing is, it doesn't even work on Xbox. The game is smart enough to realize the absurdity of some trades.

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Crazy thing is, it doesn't even work on Xbox. The game is smart enough to realize the absurdity of some trades.

You need a second Blackberry for it to work.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Calgary is not trading for Marner for many reasons. But to think he'd approve a trade to Calgary to be immediately flipped to Utah?

Why not?

Because you don’t think he would?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Icon

This kind of stuff works on the xbox but not in reality with NMC's in place.

It's nice to think about, but won't happen.

True. Very unlikely, I’ll acknowledge that.

[Monahammer]

Why wouldn't Utah just offer 6th+ Hayton to the leafs for Marner? Surely that is a much better trade for them to dump Marner's contract.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Why wouldn't Utah just offer 6th+ Hayton to the leafs for Marner? Surely that is a much better trade for them to dump Marner's contract.

Probably because they need a top pairing defenceman and a goaltender today, not 3-4 years from now.

Presumably the Flames would be moving some combination of Andersson/Markstrom/Wolf/Weegar/Vancouver’s pick in that scenario.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Why wouldn't Utah just offer 6th+ Hayton to the leafs for Marner? Surely that is a much better trade for them to dump Marner's contract.

My thought was:

Markstrom, Andersson, van 1st to Toronto for Marner

Marner to Utah for 6OA and Hayton.

Rationale, Toronto improves D&G while getting a future asset. Utah gets a 90-100 pt 27 year old RW, Flames get an addition top 10 pick and a young C. Conroy has specifically said that he’s Looking for young players who might be buried or need a change of scenery.

Reasons why it’s unlikely; Marner’s NMC, Flames might not want to move Andersson, Utah might not want to move the pick or Hayton.

I was just interested in throwing something out there for discussion.

[Monahammer]

I guess my question is really on the objective value of Andersson. Because, based on the other trade proposals in that thread and the potential equivalency of the marner- Utah trade, we are placing his value as a top 10 pick +. Really interested in this specifically, because I don't think his objective value is that high.

[Monahammer]

Retained Marky is worth a late pick, retained marky + van 1st is worth more than Hayton but I don't know how much.

So is Andersson worth 6th overall ish?

[Monahammer]

If Toronto were to take 6th overall and Hayton for Marner, they could dangle Hayton to Boston for Ullmark (or someone else) with a small add, and then dangle 6th overall for a real strong Dman. I'd trade weegar for the 6th overall easily and IMO he's better than andersson.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am not buying this Leaf fans agenda Marner isn't a playoff performer. This reminds of when people said the same thing about Joe Thornton. In 57 playoff games Mitch Marner has 11 goals and 39 assists while being +10.

Thornton was a 14-33-57 player in the playoffs.

You need more than that from your best player.

And while I hate the stat, for a player that was almost always a + during the season, he was a -36 in the playoffs.

Marner I agree is a very good player. A pus, but a very good player.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If Toronto were to take 6th overall and Hayton for Marner, they could dangle Hayton to Boston for Ullmark (or someone else) with a small add, and then dangle 6th overall for a real strong Dman. I'd trade weegar for the 6th overall easily and IMO he's better than andersson.

….but Andersson is younger although, on less term and could pass Weegar’s deal in terms of $. I suspect Treliving likes Andersson, quite a bit, and the market might be slim on D of his age and calibre.

Really, the value of Weegar vs. Andersson will be made by the GM’s who are making the deal, if there’s one to be had.

There’s all kinds of reasons to say why a deal won’t work.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Why not?

Because you don’t think he would?

I can’t see Marner approving those trades. I loves Toronto . If he can be convinced to leave Toronto, Calgary and Utah aren’t likely on his list of places he’ll go to.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I can’t see Marner approving those trades. I loves Toronto . If he can be convinced to leave Toronto, Calgary and Utah aren’t likely on his list of places he’ll go to.

I’m still trying to understand how you would know this?

Specifically in the case of Utah where I’ve suggested he would end up. Young team with a young owner who looks like they will be aggressive in turning themselves into a contender. I don’t think there’s a team with more money and draft capital to take some major steps to improvement.

The question as to ‘why would he’ is probably as valid as ‘why wouldn’t he?’