Star Wars

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by blankall

Episode VIII purposely tries to subvert everything that was done in Episode VII, become Rian Jonson needs to show everyone how clever he is. Episode IX then tries to clumsily undo episode VIII. Episode IX is already an attempt to retcon much of episode VIII. Episode VIII wrote the sequel trilogy into a corner, and they just said F it, everything we set up in Episode VII has been destroyed, let's just bring back Palpatine.

And space horses attacking the largest fleet of star destroyers ever assembled.

ST was comically bad.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

And space horses attacking the largest fleet of star destroyers ever assembled.

ST was comically bad.

But Lando was in it tho!

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

And space horses attacking the largest fleet of star destroyers ever assembled.

ST was comically bad.

Ugghh...I forgot about the horses. That final battle actually had some kind of potential to be visually great, if you could shut your mind off (the idea of so many Star Destroyers being built in secret and then every ship in the galaxy getting there to fight them so quickly was dumb). Then they had to ruin the whole thing with constant stupid gimmicks and jokes.

[getbak]

My favourite ridiculous thing was the ancient Sith dagger with the design that somehow lined up perfectly with the ~30 year-old ruins of the second Death Star.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by blankall

Ugghh...I forgot about the horses. That final battle actually had some kind of potential to be visually great, if you could shut your mind off (the idea of so many Star Destroyers being built in secret and then every ship in the galaxy getting there to fight them so quickly was dumb). Then they had to ruin the whole thing with constant stupid gimmicks and jokes.

Where did all of the Officers and Stormtroopers come from? Who was actually building all these ships? Who was the dude who only built the one thing that could lead the ships out?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by getbak

My favourite ridiculous thing was the ancient Sith dagger with the design that somehow lined up perfectly with the ~30 year-old ruins of the second Death Star.

Oh that was pure JJ 'Lost' BS. It was glorious.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Locke

Where did all of the Officers and Stormtroopers come from? Who was actually building all these ships? Who was the dude who only built the one thing that could lead the ships out?

It's just dumb. The scale of the "secret" operation was ridiculous. When the Empire was in full swing, building a Star Destroyer was a big deal and they had a limited amount of them. Now somehow, they somehow managed to relocate enough personal to build and then man hundreds of them?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by blankall

It's just dumb. The scale of the "secret" operation was ridiculous. When the Empire was in full swing, building a Star Destroyer was a big deal and they had a limited amount of them. Now somehow, they somehow managed to relocate enough personal to build and then man hundreds of them?

You nailed it on your first sentence.

The whole thing was clownshoes. We dont even really need to get into the Space-horses or the fact that every ship in the Galaxy could find them and also leave without the special whateverthehell device.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I heard they want to make Rey the obi-wan to the characters in the next trilogy.

What wisdom could she bring to the table for the young titular character/s, exactly?

She showed up and owned every one in her path because of her lineage or whatever. She didn't even pass Luke's three trials, there was only two lol.

They need to sever every connection to that trash compactor.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I heard they want to make Rey the obi-wan to the characters in the next trilogy.

What wisdom could she bring to the table for the young titular character/s, exactly?

She showed up and owned every one in her path because of her lineage or whatever. She didn't even pass Luke's three trials, there was only two lol.

They need to sever every connection to that trash compactor.

Who knows, maybe it could be fun?

Obi-Wan was a fully trained Jedi Master of the Old Order.

Luke was a half-assed trained Jedi something or other...he was winging it.

Rey was an untrained drifter.

The new Jedi order might be fun?

"I can move brooms..."

Come on in son!

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Locke

Who knows, maybe it could be fun?

Obi-Wan was a fully trained Jedi Master of the Old Order.

Luke was a half-assed trained Jedi something or other...he was winging it.

Rey was an untrained drifter.

The new Jedi order might be fun?

"I can move brooms..."

Come on in son!

Don't forget Rey stole all the original Jedi manuals while Luke wasn't looking.

[CaptainCrunch]

Every piece of Star Wars logic and Lore says that there shouldn't be a new Jedi Order period.


Where ever there are Jedi, the dark side rises and the galaxy suffers.



When the Jedi were first rose, members of the order feeling constrained by the Jedi focus on the light side instead of the overall force left and learned how to manipulate the Dark Side, and the Jedi decided they were a threat and decided to wipe them out.



It was Jedi arrogance that their way was the only way.


The Dark Jedi that survived were exiled and ended up on Korriban, or Moriban and they met the Sith Species and founded the Sith Order.


Then they returned for revenge, and the Jedi not only wiped them out, but pursued them back to the Sith Empire and killed everyone including woman and children that they could find, fueling the Sith's need for revenge.



Then about a 1000 years later the Sith Empire returned and nearly wiped out the Jedi, and a war was fought that killed trillions of innocent people that got in the way of a Force civil war.


After that there was relative peace until a Jedi that had a hunger for power and knowledge founded a new Sith Empire, they went to war with the Jedi again and entire world populations were wiped out. The Jedi eventually won and were convinced that they had ended the Dark Side forever. But in their arrogance they didn't believe that any Sith survived. One did Darth Bane who took on a apprentice. They went under ground and acted like a tumor on the galaxy, fomenting corruption, and gaining tremendous power and knowledge, while the Jedi lounged in their temple and grew complacent.



Then at the right moment, the Sith rose, killed off the Jedi and ruled until Luke came along and helped Anakin bring "Balance" to the Force.



Which didn't last long as the Luke rebuilt the Jedi order, and how did the Force react? It allowed for the rise of the Dark Side and the First Order.


So Rey is going to create a new Jedi Order and the Darkness will rise.



Luke was right, and it was the only good piece of Lore story telling in the ST.

• Luke Skywalker: Lesson two. Now that they're extinct, the Jedi are romanticized, deified. But if your strip away the myth and look at their deeds, the legacy of the Jedi is failure. Hypocrisy, hubris.
• Rey: That's not true!
• Luke Skywalker: At the height of their powers, they allowed Darth Sidious to rise, create the Empire, and wipe them out. It was a Jedi Master who was responsible for the training and creation of Darth Vader.
• Rey: And a Jedi who saved him. Yes. Your father was the most hated man in the galaxy. He caused so much death and destruction for many years. But you saw there was conflict inside him. You believed that he wasn't gone. That he could be turned.
• Luke Skywalker: And I became a legend. For many years, there was balance and then I saw... Ben. My nephew with that mighty Skywalker blood. And in my hubris, I thought I could train him, I could pass on my strengths. Han was... Han was about it, but... Leia trusted me with her son. I took him, and a dozen students, and began a training temple. By the time I realized I was no match for the darkness rising in him, it was too late.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Don't forget Rey stole all the original Jedi manuals while Luke wasn't looking.

Yes. She was also a blasphemous delinquent.

But who knows.. could be fun!

[Ashartus]

Originally Posted by blankall

U(the idea of so many Star Destroyers being built in secret and then every ship in the galaxy getting there to fight them so quickly was dumb).

I've long maintained that JJ Abrams has no sense of distance or time in his movies. From being able to use transporters to cross light years onto a moving ship in his Star Trek movies, to people on other planets seeing the Star Killer Base laser and resulting explosions, to every ship in the galaxy showing up at once - no sense of the galaxy being a big place.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Locke

Where did all of the Officers and Stormtroopers come from? Who was actually building all these ships? Who was the dude who only built the one thing that could lead the ships out?

From a film making perspective it was so lazy, they basically took old models of Star Destroyers, and then stretched them on film to make them look bigger.


And then instead of having a hard to hit weak spot, if you shoot the world killing laser the whole ship explodes.

[Locke]

You want to know how stupid some of these people are?

Give me a budget and I can make a great Star Wars movie about a boy janitor named Scruffy who has to save the Galaxy using nothing but his wits and a mop.

He meets an unwitting cleaning lady and together they take on the Galaxy!

Its goddamned dead-easy.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Yeah, the science behind the scripts of the OT really isn't complicated. As with many stories, it borrows heavily from the hero's journey narrative.

Problem with the PT is there is too much pointless #### thrown in that doesn't add to to the core arc. PT had too much context and exposition that was largely uninteresting.

The ST didn't know what it was, broke or just redacted the rules established by the prior films, and picked up and put down plot threads because of the terruible lack of a cohesive plan. The characters didn't undergo much of any sort of meaningful evolution through trials or adversity outside of maybe Finn breaking free from the shackles of the order and defeating his former conmander. The rest were just going through the motions and while acting like they had a wholesome bond to one another without earning it because they constantly split up over the course of the movies and did virtually nothing together lol. In retrospect, it felt a lot like if you asked chatgtp to write a star wars trilogy. Kind of just threw a bunch of star wars elements in and churned out this clusterf### of nonsense.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Yeah, the science behind the scripts of the OT really isn't complicated. As with many stories, it borrows heavily from the hero's journey narrative.

Problem with the PT is there is too much pointless #### thrown in that doesn't add to to the core arc. PT had too much context and exposition that was largely uninteresting.

The ST didn't know what it was, broke or just redacted the rules established by the prior films, and picked up and put down plot threads because of the terruible lack of a cohesive plan. The characters didn't undergo much of any sort of meaningful evolution through trials or adversity outside of maybe Finn breaking free from the shackles of the order and defeating his former conmander. The rest were just going through the motions and while acting like they had a wholesome bond to one another without earning it because they constantly split up over the course of the movies and did virtually nothing together lol. In retrospect, it felt a lot like if you asked chatgtp to write a star wars trilogy. Kind of just threw a bunch of star wars elements in and churned out this clusterf### of nonsense.

Finn's character started off well, but then they just turned him into a one line spewing side kick. He had such great potential too. Conflicted and recovering from childhood trauma after being raised a storm trooper. For a company who desperately tries to jam in inclusive content, they had the perfect opportunity to explore a gay storyline that actually organically fit the film.

Instead we get to explore how he feels about Rose? Then see him shout classic lines like... They fly now?

[CaptainCrunch]

Or as I liked to call Finn, he was the "Whoo" guy. Go back and watch his journey, you're right it could have been a cool story gay or not. But there was no feeling of trauma at being indoctrinated as a Storm Trooper, there was no breaking that change. By the time the third movie came around, he was an afterthought.


And Rose's story was ridiculous and came from the Jar Jar factor to the point by the third movie she couldn't participate in the battle or be a hero because she had to "Study".


The writing beyond the obvious in the ST was just fricken awful, it felt like JJ gave up in the third movie and just crammed some fan service in as an apology for the second movie.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by getbak

My favourite ridiculous thing was the ancient Sith dagger with the design that somehow lined up perfectly with the ~30 year-old ruins of the second Death Star.

Ha. I plain forgot about this.

Then the super important, super secret dagger was... never needed or spoken of again lol.