Sooo...driving is a BITCH. Rant here to alleviate stress.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

But then people might think the thread is about the Oilers.

No, no...thats "Mullets.....on Ice!!!"

[Finny61]

Call me BS if you want but it's happening and it will be effective soon, the cops will get there way at least in Ontario but it will spread out and it will change everything. I am in insurance too and lived in Ontario I know how it works.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Taking it easy = good.

20-30 below the limit in the left lane = bad. And not just Deerfoot. If you are scared to drive, get the hell out of the left lane on Glenmore and Crowchild too! Agreed wtih 4x4 as well. Frankly, if the going rate on Glenmore is 70, then I find the idiot doing 50 to be just as big a danger as the ###### doing 90. If you can't keep up with the going rate of traffic, then you need to pull over and take the bus.

And +2 on your new name.

Absolutely - bottom line is if you find yourself going well below or well above what everyone is driving - you are likely driving the wrong speed.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by JorjeHrdina

Absolutely - bottom line is if you find yourself going well below or well above what everyone is driving - you are likely driving the wrong speed.

Perfectly put. Well, in the winter for sure.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Finny61

Call me BS if you want but it's happening and it will be effective soon, the cops will get there way at least in Ontario but it will spread out and it will change everything. I am in insurance too and lived in Ontario I know how it works.

Then why can't you show me a single link that advises this to be the case? Dion was nice enough to find one link that talks about your point, but it also talks about this being an "idea" the head of the OPP had. In the article itself he acknowledges taking heat for even trying to purpose new legislation. Dude might want to make laws but he will need to get elected for that to happen. All that aside you mis-represented your point, what the OPP is wanting is a new charge they can slap on drivers that they can not get for DD because of lack of evidence...thats it.

This is not some crazy frontier justice that will allow on scene police officers to render judgments on car accident and make people pay for damage without the involvment of their insurance company. It wont happen, can't happen...it is illegal and every insurance contract in the province would have to be re-written first (along with probably the insurance act as well).

So yeah, if thats is what your saying is going to happen (or is even being purposed by anyone of any status) then I call BS.

[habernac]

To the car on Deerfoot last night who slowed to under 60km/h after 16th avenue: insert flames1422 rant here. Wow, I've never observed a worse example of driving in 25 years on the road.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

To the owner of the Hummer, plate BLUE H2, you are not entitled to 2 lanes....if you can't drive your vehicle correctly, it may be too big for you......and judging from how you drive it may be time for a Smart Car.

merry christmas

[Kybosh]

I need some input guys, yesterday night I went through an intersection when it was in the process of changing to red. I couldn't stop safely because it was very icy so I decided to go through. Unfortunately, I think I got a red light ticket in the process (so did another guy beside me) because I saw the flashes. Anyway, I was going the speed limit (maybe even under) but couldn't stop in time due to the ice.

I didn't think it was too big a deal until I got home and found out that the ticket for this is $287!!! I've been driving for 12 years now full time and in that time I've never had any accidents and only one traffic violation (speeding ticket). Is there anything I can do? I honestly can't afford this ticket for financial reasons and I hate to say it but that little money (too some) might cripple me for a while.

[cKy]

Go fight it. When/If you get the ticket, goto the court and talk to the guy, sometimes they are pretty forgiving (pending your background) and either wipe it out or cut it way down for you.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

I need some input guys, yesterday night I went through an intersection when it was in the process of changing to red. I couldn't stop safely because it was very icy so I decided to go through. Unfortunately, I think I got a red light ticket in the process (so did another guy beside me) because I saw the flashes. Anyway, I was going the speed limit (maybe even under) but couldn't stop in time due to the ice.

I didn't think it was too big a deal until I got home and found out that the ticket for this is $287!!! I've been driving for 12 years now full time and in that time I've never had any accidents and only one traffic violation (speeding ticket). Is there anything I can do? I honestly can't afford this ticket for financial reasons and I hate to say it but that little money (too some) might cripple me for a while.

Phone this # 403-206-5991.

It is the # used for the photo traffic ticket enforment unit and I would tell the officer on the phone exactly what happened and what (if anything) can be done about it.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

I need some input guys, yesterday night I went through an intersection when it was in the process of changing to red. I couldn't stop safely because it was very icy so I decided to go through. Unfortunately, I think I got a red light ticket in the process (so did another guy beside me) because I saw the flashes. Anyway, I was going the speed limit (maybe even under) but couldn't stop in time due to the ice.

I didn't think it was too big a deal until I got home and found out that the ticket for this is $287!!! I've been driving for 12 years now full time and in that time I've never had any accidents and only one traffic violation (speeding ticket). Is there anything I can do? I honestly can't afford this ticket for financial reasons and I hate to say it but that little money (too some) might cripple me for a while.

The cameras don't know when it's icy out. The people giving out tickets based on the pictures do know when it's icy out. I don't think I'd worry too much. I doubt a ticket will come, even if it does, just call in and kindly say, it was icy and I thought it was safest to proceed through, given the conditions.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

The cameras don't know when it's icy out. The people giving out tickets based on the pictures do know when it's icy out. I don't think I'd worry too much. I doubt a ticket will come, even if it does, just call in and kindly say, it was icy and I thought it was safest to proceed through, given the conditions.

I second the doubt that a ticket will even come, I have been flashed before when the conditions sucked and a ticket never came.

[Rahim]

It took me a hour just to get out of the sunridge mall parking lot. Do you know whats like in a parking lot for a hour.

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

I second the doubt that a ticket will even come, I have been flashed before when the conditions sucked and a ticket never came.

Interesting, thanks for all the input guys. Hopefully nothing every comes from it!

[Finny61]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Then why can't you show me a single link that advises this to be the case? Dion was nice enough to find one link that talks about your point, but it also talks about this being an "idea" the head of the OPP had. In the article itself he acknowledges taking heat for even trying to purpose new legislation. Dude might want to make laws but he will need to get elected for that to happen. All that aside you mis-represented your point, what the OPP is wanting is a new charge they can slap on drivers that they can not get for DD because of lack of evidence...thats it.

This is not some crazy frontier justice that will allow on scene police officers to render judgments on car accident and make people pay for damage without the involvment of their insurance company. It wont happen, can't happen...it is illegal and every insurance contract in the province would have to be re-written first (along with probably the insurance act as well).

So yeah, if thats is what your saying is going to happen (or is even being purposed by anyone of any status) then I call BS.

FIrst off smart ass I didn't say it's effective, I'm meaning to say it's coming and it will. You want to call BS on that I don't give a lick. Press doesn't have much on it because no one wants to bring it up right now because there is bigger fish to fry. Insurance companies are salivating at this plan because it takes them off the hook for a lot of crap and it will bring loss ratios in line since they are well over 100% in most provinces. Auto is not profitable, it's not rocket science, the system is flawed and insurance companies are trying everything to change that. They will get they're way at some point. If it's in the US already I don't see what would stop it from infesting up here.

[MJM]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Well it's too late now, it's past the point of no return. I think it's going to keep happening in Calgary unless major changes take places, such as adding millions to the snow budget, but that isn't realistic. In order to keep these ruts off the roads, the plows need to hit the show within a couple of days. And then the graders need to hit the other roads at some point as well.

I work for roadways here in Edmonton, and I am not criticizing Calgary, because there is simply nothing that can be done right now. One glaring thing I did notice though, is that off of major roads, but where buses still travel, is complete ice rinks. It is almost as if the city of Calgary doesn't even make an attempt to sand bus routes.

I haven't spent a lot of time in Calgary, but does this happen every year, or is this a complete change of pace?

I find the major problems with Calgary is that the snow removal doesn't start until AFTER the storm is over. This results in snow being packed down by drivers that have to go to work in the morning and the snow turning into an icefield with no hope of being removed until a Chinook hits.

What should happen is that before a storm hits, the roads should be heavily salted, and the plows should be on standby to start as soon as the first flake hits. This should reduce cost because less cleanup is required in the following days, and something could actually be done about the roads before it's too late. This is how it's done in every major city in the Maritimes, and their roads are excellent. The roads are better in New Brunswick during a major snowstorm than they are 3 days after a 10 cm light snow in Calgary.


So in a nutshell, Calgary's current snow removal policy is let if fall and a chinook will take care of it.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Rahim

It took me a hour just to get out of the sunridge mall parking lot. Do you know whats like in a parking lot for a hour.

Yes. I've been to Scotiabank Place.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Finny61

FIrst off smart ass I didn't say it's effective, I'm meaning to say it's coming and it will. You want to call BS on that I don't give a lick. Press doesn't have much on it because no one wants to bring it up right now because there is bigger fish to fry. Insurance companies are salivating at this plan because it takes them off the hook for a lot of crap and it will bring loss ratios in line since they are well over 100% in most provinces. Auto is not profitable, it's not rocket science, the system is flawed and insurance companies are trying everything to change that. They will get they're way at some point. If it's in the US already I don't see what would stop it from infesting up here.

Okay. Thanks for that, and the name calling, really loved that, classy for sure.

Continue talking out of your arse, don't mind me. You continue to come back and embarrass yourself but refuse to show an shred of proof. If you actually believe the press "has this story" but has "bigger fish to fry" then you are not even worth debating. This would be THE story. it would be on the front page of every Ontario newspaper and close to the front of every newspaper in Canada.

If I am a betting man your a low to mid level employee of an insurance company, heard one of your superiors or maybe even just a mouthy co-worker spouting off about this new "legislation" that is going to come into effect and save Ontario's failing insurance industry. Sorry bucko, this just wont ever happen. I bet Ontario insurance companies would like it to, but it will not. BTW I noticed you conveniently ignored all of the legal reference I made...what...you don't want to tell me how they purpose to re-write every insurance policy in Ontario?

[ikaris]

Originally Posted by Finny61

FIrst off smart ass I didn't say it's effective, I'm meaning to say it's coming and it will. You want to call BS on that I don't give a lick. Press doesn't have much on it because no one wants to bring it up right now because there is bigger fish to fry. Insurance companies are salivating at this plan because it takes them off the hook for a lot of crap and it will bring loss ratios in line since they are well over 100% in most provinces. Auto is not profitable, it's not rocket science, the system is flawed and insurance companies are trying everything to change that. They will get they're way at some point. If it's in the US already I don't see what would stop it from infesting up here.

This is why auto insurance should be provided by the government (at least for basic liability) since you are legally required to have it when you are driving.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by MJM

I find the major problems with Calgary is that the snow removal doesn't start until AFTER the storm is over. This results in snow being packed down by drivers that have to go to work in the morning and the snow turning into an icefield with no hope of being removed until a Chinook hits.

What should happen is that before a storm hits, the roads should be heavily salted, and the plows should be on standby to start as soon as the first flake hits. This should reduce cost because less cleanup is required in the following days, and something could actually be done about the roads before it's too late. This is how it's done in every major city in the Maritimes, and their roads are excellent. The roads are better in New Brunswick during a major snowstorm than they are 3 days after a 10 cm light snow in Calgary.


So in a nutshell, Calgary's current snow removal policy is let if fall and a chinook will take care of it.

The problem though, is that high concentrations of salt are only used when the temperature is warm, because if it's too cold, the salt is just useless. It doesn't do the trick. Not only that, but you don't want lakes of water everywhere to freeze and turn into glare ice.

If Calgary is anything like Edmonton, and it probably is, guys are working 24 hours a day. If a storm hits, the plows will be out ASAP, with more people coming to work as soon as they can get them in. I know that throughout storms here, the plows are hitting the major drags numerous times. The less major roads aren't going to get it immediately.

It's also hard to compare Calgary to Edmonton or Calgary to the Maritimes, because of the budgets for snow removal. Calgary has less than half the money to work with than we do up here, so I don't think it can be expected to be taken care of as quickly.