2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Roof-Daddy]

Dylan Cozens is a 23 year old right hand shot center but good luck with that.

His production sure took a dip last year though. And a terrible start this year too.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by blankall

The Flames haven't been pulling up their talent for years. They've been signing useless vets to fill out roles that prospects should have been playing. I'd go as far to say that every prospect or draft pick post-2016, until Conroy took over, had their development stunted by the Flames reluctance to play their own prospects.

For example, we're talking about Pospisil like he's a great young prospect....he's turning 25. He could be out of his prime within a couple of years.

I think Sutter was hesitant to play youth for sure.

But who was stunted? Pospisil isn't a good example. You can't be 21st on our CP list for prospects and be stunted the summer before you break out.

He came out of left field to everyone likely including the team.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I’ll take Lambert please

[868904]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think Sutter was hesitant to play youth for sure.

But who was stunted? Pospisil isn't a good example. You can't be 21st on our CP list for prospects and be stunted the summer before you break out.

He came out of left field to everyone likely including the team.

And Conroy stated last season that Sutter wanted Pospisil up the year before but he got hurt. He also singled Klapka out in his last training camp. As for Phillips and Pelletier, Sutter was pretty much right on them; they are too small and not skilled enough for the NHL. Zary just wasn’t ready when Sutter was here.

[CliffFletcher]

Pospisil and Zary coming in and having the impact they’ve had after 113 and 140 games in the AHL show how important it is to give guys time to develop in the minors. 100-150 games in the AHL is the normal development path for guys coming out of junior hockey, 50-100 for guys who come through the college route.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

So responding to/discussing rumours isn’t what this thread is about. Gotcha.

Did anyone take issue with the fact that people responded?

No?

OK, glad we cleared that up. You’re on top of it.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by stemit14

It was brought up by someone else but I’ll add Helenius to this list from Buffalo.

I don't see them moving Helenius because he's a centre.
They have an abundance of under-sized skilled wingers. That's why they traded Savoie. They've really mucked up their drafts by taking so many similar players. But if they make moves, I think it will be with those types of players, not a guy like Helenius or Cozens.

[flambers]

Definitely expect the Flames, should be looking to add to their center position.

Its their worst position by far, in terms of organization depth.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

They are looking to replace Cole Schwindt. Let’s relax here.

Kadri not going anywhere I would think
Backlund getting long in the tooth but still consistent
Pospisil is found money
Costco looking like the same for the 4th line
Rooney journeymen 4th liner

Looks like they need some middle 6 depth at C in case of injuries if they want Sharongovich on the wing. Maybe succession planning for Backlund too.

[Beninho]

Flames have a lot of draft capital and probably will acquire more. If they want to move up in future drafts to take some C’s they may be able to

[gvitaly]

I would try to pry Filip Bystedt(drafted 27th overall 22') out of San Jose. They already have Smith and Celebrini, and his biggest knock against him is skating, while we have a miracle worker in Danielle Fujita.

Here is his prospect profile from the Athletic:

Bystedt is a big boy who moves well (especially when he builds a head of steam through the neutral zone) and thrives in puck control, with the skills of protection out wide to his body that you expect in a player his size, but also the propensity to pull and drag pucks through his feet. Though he isn’t a very adjustable skater in tight/against coverage, he skates well north-south and around wider crossover paths once he gets going. Those tools make him noticeable and intriguing by default, and have allowed him to really hold pucks against his peers and work his way into being a good SHL contributor as a teenager. The reach, length and size (6-foot-3 and nearly 200 pounds) make him so strong in puck protection at this age. When he’s carrying pucks and looking to attack, he’s a lot to handle. He’s got some real dexterity. He stays around it, he goes to the front of the net, he involves himself physically, and he has become a much more consistent game-to-game, shift-to-shift player over the last two years. His one-timer has some pop because of his strength and size. There were times in his draft year, in viewings across the J20, SHL and U18 worlds, where he played a different style in each and seemed to have a bit of an identity crisis. Since, I think he has found himself in the SHL as a driver who uses his decent skill and skating where required instead of out of necessity. He has been one of the SHL’s better young players in consecutive seasons and there’s more than meets the eye with his game offensively. He projects as a good third-line center for me.

[Matty81]

Am sure Conroy is always making calls so not a big deal.

But not a good time to be trying to add NHL roster pieces, probably highest prices are all year right after everyone has done their gambles on waivers and before anyone is out of the race. Only chance I could see would be if someone like Detroit, Buffalo or Carolina gets impatient but they'd be looking for roster help, so if the Flames think there is a point in adding to the group to try and become first round cannon fodder they'd probably have to move a blueliner or winger out from the core group anyway.

So at best without paying a kings ransom you are probably adding someone another team has given up on a bit, think most Flames fans would probably agree that seeing us trade draft capital for a second or third tier centre in his mid to late 20s would be two steps backward in terms of actually contending for a cup. Kuzmenko and Mantha continue to play well and will be headed to contenders next season if they can unless the Flames overpay them big (which given the Kadri and Huberdeau situations would be a disaster) and we lose Rasmus the season after that again unless we spend too much on him. Really not much to build around here yet.

[dammage79]

I think Conroy's earned some trust with how he operates. He's not just going to go all Willy nilly and throw some prime assets out for a Center that doesn't fit his vision.

Is say let him cook, he's done extremely well so far.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Am sure Conroy is always making calls so not a big deal.

But not a good time to be trying to add NHL roster pieces,

.

For sure GM's are always trying to add, however I think its a perfect time to add obviously only if the price is right....

I very likely doubt the Flames will overpay, i.e. cap space is a great asset.

Flames are going to try to ice their best lineup,
'
i.e, they are not going to try to tank the season (i.e. like the Sharks last season)

[Burning Beard]

Agreed! He seems like a man with a plan. Stoked to see it unfold.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Nope. Don’t like hearing this.

The only way to build a Championship team is through the top of the draft.

The Flames have no key foundational players in place. Adding to this roster just prevents them from actually drafting them.

If they do this, the race back to the middle is officially on.

good god!
OK
time for me to talk in ridiculous absolutes.
Show me 1 team that ISN'T looking for a good young center to make a decent trade for and I will show you a team that won't win a championship

[Matty81]

If Marco Kasper keeps getting better, and he had an incredible 2nd half last season and seems to be turning into a beast in the AHL - I could see the wings moving Joe Veleno out when they feel Kasper is ready to come up.

I don't think they'll bring Kasper up to play 4th line but Andrew Copp would be solid on a checking/4th line and Kasper is a much better two way player than Veleno.

The thing with Veleno is, he's one of the worst players in the league when it comes to corsi if you're into that, and his +/- is always terrible if you're more into the old school measures so it's arguable whether or not he's a very good NHLer.

Maybe a team like the Flames see him as mis-cast as a defensive centre getting so many d zone starts and only 10-11 minutes a night and feel like he's got more offensive upside based on his junior career though? I could see someone like that being available without damaging the draft cupboard too badly, maybe the extra 2nd and 3rd the flames have.

Still that's a player that's probably available next summer for a 4th if Kasper does emerge... teams know there are very few names on the market right now and will charge a premium.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by flambers

For sure GM's are always trying to add, however I think its a perfect time to add obviously only if the price is right....

I very likely doubt the Flames will overpay, i.e. cap space is a great asset.

Flames are going to try to ice their best lineup,
'
i.e, they are not going to try to tank the season (i.e. like the Sharks last season)

I mean it's a great time to add as far as on ice... you give your new guy most of the year to fit in with the group, but the prices have to be through the roof right now, can't see anybody being in sell mode so anyone willing to move a productive NHLer without a roster body coming back is probably going to ask for the moon

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I mean it's a great time to add as far as on ice... you give your new guy most of the year to fit in with the group, but the prices have to be through the roof right now, can't see anybody being in sell mode so anyone willing to move a productive NHLer without a roster body coming back is probably going to ask for the moon

Yep, not sure if the prices are extremely high. Some teams may want to wait to figure out what are their needs.

Cap space could be the issue, and is likely the may reason teams struggle to trade until the deadline

Flames having lots of cap, may help

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by flambers

Yep, not sure if the prices are extremely high. Some teams may want to wait to figure out what are their needs.

Cap space could be the issue, and is likely the may reason teams struggle to trade until the deadline

Flames having lots of cap, may help

That's true - maybe someone in cap jail with a player coming off IR could be an opportunity. Looks like there are plenty of teams only compliant because of IR but not sure if any of them are in that boat?