Tank for Celebrini

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Flames offer Andersson + 50% retained Markstrom for 10th/11th overall + Casey. Who say no?

That is not consistent with the flames retooling.

Moving Andersson weakens an already very weak dmen group.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

D: Silayev, Levshunov, Dickinson, Parekh, Yakemchuk, Buium
F: Celebrini, Lindstrom, Demidov, Catton.

That's the potential 10 for me.
Iginla, Helenius, Eiserman could be in the top 10 and displace someone else.

I have a feeling Eiserman will tumble.

Of those listed, the ones I think might get picked outside of the top 10 are Eiserman, Yakemchuk and Helenius.

[Jiggy_12]

Would be neat if Tij ends up going 11th overall

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Call me crazy, but because of the name and relative production alone I am taking Tij 4th out of forwards. Catton and Helenius to me aren't good enough to justify missing out on another Iginla.

Celebrini, Demidov, and Lindstrom have it ahead. Personally I would be sweating about Eiserman too. His goal scoring ability is absolutely hard to overstate here. That kid puts the puck in the net.

Are you saying this because you think Iginla is better than them? On what basis? Or do you think they are equal and therefore may as well be Tij?

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That is not consistent with the flames retooling.

Moving Andersson weakens an already very weak dmen group.

Maybe. It depends on what flames management think of their future options with Andersson. He’ll be 30 when he needs a new deal and he’s a very valuable asset right now. Conroy has just experienced how difficult it is to get a team to give up a top prospect when trading a rental defenceman. If they keep Andersson and he does not want to re-sign in 2 years, Conroy will be trying at that point to get a player like one that gets picked at 10th-12th overall in this draft… and it’s very unlikely a team will give that up for a rental. However, he has a chance to get that player now for Andersson with 2 years left on his deal.

All depends on if the flames think Andersson will re-sign in 2 years and if they see him as an impact player in his 30s.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The defenceman look great in this draft, but we have also not brought in any young forward prospects in any trade so far. We have brought in defenceman. I wonder if they target a forward in the draft, but it should always be BPA.

None of those prospects brought in have top D potential in my view.
And I actually no longer believe that it should always be BPA. For premium picks you should target D and C as those are absolute needs for a successful re-build. At some point if a winger is simply a better player I get it - but for example I will take a player projected to be a #2C over a player projected to be a top line winger.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Are you saying this because you think Iginla is better than them? On what basis? Or do you think they are equal and therefore may as well be Tij?

The latter. I don't think there's enough separation between Catton-Iginla-Helenius to justify taking the other two over Iginla considering the familial relation.

[bdubbs]

If the Flames draft Tij, I'm hoping it's because of his skills / production being translatable to the NHL, not because of nepotism. I just happen to also think his skills will transfer to the NHL. The Iginla tie is just a cherry on top.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

None of those prospects brought in have top D potential in my view.
And I actually no longer believe that it should always be BPA. For premium picks you should target D and C as those are absolute needs for a successful re-build. At some point if a winger is simply a better player I get it - but for example I will take a player projected to be a #2C over a player projected to be a top line winger.

What is a premium pick ?

I agree and it’s why I argued with people that I was on the Byfield #1 because he was a C and Alexis was a winger. I know Byfield is on the wing now, but it’s easier to switch from C to wing.

It’s also looks like bpa is going to be a need for us as well this time around.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What is a premium pick ?

I agree and it’s why I argued with people that I was on the Byfield #1 because he was a C and Alexis was a winger. I know Byfield is on the wing now, but it’s easier to switch from C to wing.

It’s also looks like bpa is going to be a need for us as well this time around.

Top 10ish

[timbit]

Pretty sure you shouldn’t make choices of 1st round picks on familial attraction.

If he is the best player available by your scouts…pick him.

If not it’s a disservice to the team, to pick him.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by timbit

Pretty sure you shouldn’t make choices of 1st round picks on familial attraction.

If he is the best player available by your scouts…pick him.

If not it’s a disservice to the team, to pick him.

The way things are going there is a very realistic possibility that Tij will be the BPA around the time the Flames pick. The stars could be aligning that way, and I really hope they do.

BPA is a bit of a fluid concept anyway though. I am sure a lot of the time, and of course, depending on the draft, by the time you get to that 8-12 spot on the list, there is a bit of witch craft and hair splitting. They might have a list of 5 players that are available to take in that block who have similar projections. I would imagine they start to look at things like how well the kid interviewed, the likelihood the kid wants to play in Calgary, work habits, coachability, even character references.

I would bet that Tij ticks a lot of the hair splitting boxes because we know what kind of person Jarome is, and Conroy likely knows Tij as a person and player.

And I would be lying if I didn't admit that it's just a great storyline. There would be instant love for this player and his name will be good for business.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

being mediocre is borrowing from peter to pay paul.

Tell that to Chicago.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Flames offer Andersson + 50% retained Markstrom for 10th/11th overall + Casey. Who say no?

I hope the Flames. I'd expect at least that return for just Andersson

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Tell that to Chicago.

Chicago isn't mediocre, they are bad and got Bedard out of it.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Chicago isn't mediocre, they are bad and got Bedard out of it.

Except when the Flames play them.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Except when the Flames play them.

lol I am not sure if it is Backlund or what but when was the last time the Flames actually stomped the crappy teams.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by timbit

Pretty sure you shouldn’t make choices of 1st round picks on familial attraction.

If he is the best player available by your scouts…pick him.

If not it’s a disservice to the team, to pick him.

This is exactly what I mean though, my take is that there are only 2 maybe 3 forwards who have convincingly separated themselves from Iginla. Celebrini, Lindstrom, maybe Demidov.

Catton, Helenius... maybe are better than iginla? But also maybe not. And the familial tie seals the deal for me, you pick Iginla and don't look back.

[Monahammer]

Catton's game reminds me of Morgan Klimchuk

[BrownDrake]

I don’t care for Pronman but in his Athletic article:

Tier 2 is all D men (2 to 5)

Tier 3 is Catton, Demidov and Lindstrom at 8

Has Iginla at 16 tier 5

I’d love to see all those D men go and us pick up Lindstrom at 8 ish, doubt a centre like him goes that late but there sure is more talk this draft about those d men 🤷#♂️