[PGT] Flames defeat Kings 6-5

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

It's not difficult to understand, I just don't agree with the assertion that the pushback is more annoying than the negativity. The pushback can't happen without the negativity, thus the resulting 9 pages of annoyance is also the fault of the posters dropping over-the-top ridiculous takes. I can't fault people for being annoyed at reading drivel, but I can fault people for posting drivel.

The pushback is annoying mostly to those who are prone to complain, but this group also happens to be exceptionally vocal.

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[Inferno]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

I'd also argue the fifth goal is in a similar vein (could've had) but he doesn't track the puck well across and is not in a tight butterfly coming across.

That one deflected off of Weegar's knee. He would have been fortunate to get a piece of that.

If it doesn't it probably goes low blocker which is where he was reacting to. By the time he lifts his shoulder up to try and get a piece of the deflection the puck is already in.

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by Inferno

That one deflected off of Weegar's knee. He would have been fortunate to get a piece of that.

If it doesn't it probably goes low blocker which is where he was reacting to. By the time he lifts his shoulder up to try and get a piece of the deflection the puck is already in.

I did not see that... no chance on fluke deflections!

[Burning Beard]

It seems like it's always the same posters who log on, drop some over the top negativity, wait for the response and then act like a victim when there is pushback.

Moving on... Road trip will be important. Markstrom has a pregnant wife at home so hopefully getting away will help him focus a bit. I'm glad the lines seem to have more life now and the gap control has been way better. I don't think they are having a ton more defensive breakdowns versus what other teams have, just bottom of the league goaltending is making it seem that way as every time it happens we are all holding our breath.

[agubuan]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

Ruzicka is coming into his own on that line. He looks so confident with the puck right now. I hope he keeps it up because that's found money if he has chemistry with Lindy and Toff.

A homegrown prospect turning into an everyday player. It sounds awfully nice!

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by agubuan

A homegrown prospect turning into an everyday player. It sounds awfully nice!

I mean, it happens every year on this team. It's something we should have come to expect by now.

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[Johnny Makarov]

For how terrible we have been we are 2 points behind the Oilerz and 1 point behind the Avs. Not to mention the KKK can't keep this pace up. Kings,Krack,Knights.

I think we'll survive...

[Paulie Walnuts]

The game was in complete control until the refs took it over and Markstrom almost gave the game away. Not sure how that is being negative.

We controlled the majority of the game; the shot volume was less but the quality was much higher. I actually think some of that was because LA was holding guys around loose pucks and the refs let it go because that's what they do.

The real negative from that game was Markstrom and that has been a theme this year.

Maybe the league is changing to a 4-3 league, and we will just have to live with goalies having mediocre stats because of it.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

For how terrible we have been we are 2 points behind the Oilerz and 1 point behind the Avs. Not to mention the KKK can't keep this pace up. Kings,Krack,Knights.

I think we'll survive...

In baseball terms, 1 game behind LAK, 1 game behind SEA, and half a game behind EDM.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

When did venting become a socially acceptable behavior?

And why is criticizing venters not acceptable?

When did your opinion become the only one that counts?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

When did venting become a socially acceptable behavior?

And why is criticizing venters not acceptable?

Yeah, I'm not sure I agree that the forum is "for venting", which implies a bit of irrational discussion you wouldn't try at home. Isn't this just a discussion forum?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Calling your goaltender awful in a game he was awful is not toxic. It’s not like I was completely negative I complimented the new line combinations and how we got some good offensive spark out of it. I agree with whomever said this doesn’t feel like a Sutter team right now. Strong defensive game is there at times but too many lapses and the goaltending has been very bad.

That's fine - when he's awful. He wasn't. He made a big mistake on goal two, and while goal four could have been saved, it was, again, a 5 on 4 with the other team's best forward walking in, and the shot was excellent, off the post and in. Six inches either way and it hits either Markstrom or the outside of the post. All the other goals were no chancers and he did, in fact, make the bog save when it counted. The crowd in the arena gave him a standing ovation.

[Mr.Coffee]

I think Markstrom is like 47th in the NHL in SV% and 33rd in GAA.

So that's bad.

But I don't really care what it is, to be honest, if he makes a 10 bell save like he did in the dying seconds of the game on Kopitar and the team wins. None of the stats matter much to me but winning / losing.

Also, the team will be just fine. We saw what they are truly capable of in the first few games this season, which was ridiculously dominant.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

I remember Mitch Korn reframing Holtby's game by categorizing goals into three types:

1. Should have had
2. Could have had
3. No chance

The idea was to shake off the no chance ones, eliminate the should haves and minimize the could haves.

The Kopitar goal (fourth goal) is definitely a high danger opportunity but Markstrom doesn't give himself a fair chance. He's very deep (sinks in too) and is way too late to get his feet set. Doesn't mean he stops the shot if he corrects those two things but he also doesn't help himself there.

I'd also argue the fifth goal is in a similar vein (could've had) but he doesn't track the puck well across and is not in a tight butterfly coming across.

He's struggling right now for whatever reason but the team is also allowing a high number of high danger scoring opportunities.

It was already posted the High Danger chances were 19-7 for the Flames. I don't view 7 high danger chances against as bad.

It wasn't a perfect game, and I felt the Kings were having an off night as well. But IMO Markstrom was the main reason it was close. Hopefully he can figure it out soon, but he just seems off right now

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Nope. You want to vent? Go yell at your cat.

This is a discussion forum where people want to discuss the hockey team they cheer for. The vast majority of people that come here - to a PGT after a W, specifically - want to enjoy, and discuss, the win.

But some people are just ridiculously negative all the time, and re-post their negativity over and over. If all you can do after a win is complain about the imperfections - and note, I said complain, not discuss - then keep it to yourself.

100% this, it is a discussion board/forum, not a place to only complain and whinge about the team. I came to the post game threads to celebrate a victory, have fun, see funny GIFs, read info about maybe some insight people had, etc. Not come in here and listen to the same stuff that people are putting in all the other threads. It is tiring.

Thank you Enoch Root for saying what I feel but just a bit better than I would have!

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

It was a well-placed shot, but it was from the top of the circle and 0 traffic. IMO NHL goalies should have that one almost every time. It got through him but it's still a bad goal. Kopitar is a great player but he typically a 25 to 30 goal guy. It's not like it was Ovechkin shooting.

IMO the team was better than Markstrom was. He's still looking like a goalie that is rattled from getting lit up last playoffs and it's a concern. Doesn't mean he won't find his game...but it's a concern.

He's certainly not at the same level that he was for the team last season, but it is hardly rare for a workhorse starter to take a month or two to round into form. Given the sparse schedule to start the season, this has been exasperated for Markstrom, and possibly prevented him from really getting back into a groove.

If Vladar was putting up much better numbers thus far you could more easily make your claim, but to me it all points to the team needing to calm itself down and fall into their system more than any one player being an issue.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I think Markstrom is like 47th in the NHL in SV% and 33rd in GAA.

So that's bad.

But I don't really care what it is, to be honest, if he makes a 10 bell save like he did in the dying seconds of the game on Kopitar and the team wins. None of the stats matter much to me but winning / losing.

Also, the team will be just fine. We saw what they are truly capable of in the first few games this season, which was ridiculously dominant.

It hasn't been a great start, but you would think those stats normalize back to the mean over the course of a full season.

When it comes to Markstrom, I think everyone is kind of right. He hasn't been as sharp as he should be, but he has also been the victim of some shoddy play in front of him. The good news is that we can see more of those grade-A scoring chances turning into five-alarm saves now.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

But I don't really care what it is, to be honest, if he makes a 10 bell save like he did in the dying seconds of the game on Kopitar and the team wins. None of the stats matter much to me but winning / losing.

I don't even look at stats period. I assume Kadri is the leading scorer but couldn't even tell you what his stats are.

The only goalie stats that matter to me is W-L. You obviously don't want your goalie to make a habit of letting in 5 goals a game but as long as they get you 2 points that's what matters.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by calgARI

This team is just not impressive. There is a profound lack of toughness or compete. They are simply very bad in third periods. There is very little chemistry in any area, except for sometimes on the offensive side of things. It's just a disorganized group that does not play very hard and lacks mental toughness. Really really concerning. Nothing resembling an identity.

Reeeeeaaallly disagree here. Agreed they're unimpressive, but it's simply due to lack of chemistry. The complete and toughness are more than fine. Though they're a bit fragile once there's adversity.

They cannot make any fancy plays because there's less than zero chemistry, and that is ok in the playoffs, less so in the regular season

[Robbob]

The Flames are just 15 games into the season after a pretty significant roster change. I think they all know they have another gear and their sights are set on spring. I think it is coming together slowly, but it seems every mistake ends up in the back of the net. for Sutter those are probably good teaching moments wit the video. The second goal the Flames player is soft on the back check, probably not expecting the player to shoot from there. 3rd goal the puck bounces off the boards. 4th goal, Hanifin and Andersson don't communicate the switch and both go across leaving Kopitar a ton of room to shoot before Haniffni can get back into the play.

A bunch these goals are avoidable if the Flames get their heads in the game. Also, I am starting to get PTSD every time we go down to 4v4. It seems like we get scored on every time.

Anyways, I'll use the old Peter Maher adage and say it is the second set of 20 games that tell the tale of the team. The start was great, the 7 game winless streak sucked, Having to go this deep on the Dman depth chart this early also isn't ideal. It is a marathon and not a sprint.