07-25-2022, 03:49 PM
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#261
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: victoria
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07-25-2022, 03:50 PM
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#262
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by fleury
Phil going to any team for $1.5M? I doubt it personally. I’d be surprised if he goes for anything under $5.5M to anyone.
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Well then I guess it was a good career for him.
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07-25-2022, 03:50 PM
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#263
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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I would take the under on Phil at $5.5. I can't imagine any team offering up that.
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07-25-2022, 03:51 PM
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#264
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by fleury
As much as his skating is lumbering, the guy was very consistent in the playoffs. Even dare I say, one of the better players through effort and smarts. This team is neither here nor there, despite the no rebuild messaging squeaking through between the lines. While I’m all for getting rid of him through buyout or trade, I do wonder what the purpose is at this point? Dealing means you give up valuable assets in picks. Buyout is ownership dollars where he’s not a main problem. I say for this year just suck it up and keep him. Going forward in todays NHL every single player has to have the ability to skate. Having him on the roster prevents that identity slightly, as he’s the slowest, but others like Toffoli are in the same boat. In a year where I don’t have much confidence anyway, I don’t mind having him around as he’s smarter than most guys and plays hard.
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A buyout costs the owners 666,000 dollars as opposed to paying him 1 million. I am sure they are not worried about the money. It just does not save you much cap space this year. When you factor in the replacement player it is probably more cap space to buy him out and sign a replacement player, it would actually cost you cap space.
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07-25-2022, 03:52 PM
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#265
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
I am fine with that, but Lucic is no longer a NHL player.
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That's unfair. He is an NHL player... he's not even close to a $5,000,000.00 NHL player but if he was on a $1,000,000.00 ticket every team in the league would want him on their 4th line.
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07-25-2022, 03:55 PM
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#266
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Parallex
That's unfair. He is an NHL player... he's not even close to a $5,000,000.00 NHL player but if he was on a $1,000,000.00 ticket every team in the league would want him on their 4th line.
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He effectively costs 1 million this year. For a team with cap space they could have him at a low cost. Now I know that the 10 teams that he can be traded to know they have leverage over the Flames, but I doubt they are pounding down Brad’s door trying to get their hands on Lucic (for those ones that have cap space).
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07-25-2022, 03:55 PM
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#267
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Lifetime Suspension
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Re: Kessel
OK he wasn't useless last season. I knew he potted just 8 but didn't realize he racked up the assists.
I'd hit him with a 2x4 in a month if he's still unsigned then.
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07-25-2022, 03:56 PM
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#268
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarongavey
A buyout costs the owners 666,000 dollars as opposed to paying him 1 million. I am sure they are not worried about the money. It just does not save you much cap space this year. When you factor in the replacement player it is probably more cap space to buy him out and sign a replacement player, it would actually cost you cap space.
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Question for you even with the buyout. Is his cap hit at $5M still or that gets wiped off the books after the buyout? I didn’t realize the actual dollars for the buyout is that low. If the $5M is wiped off the books I’d buy him out no question.
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07-25-2022, 03:57 PM
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#269
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by fleury
Question for you even with the buyout. Is his cap hit at $5M still or that gets wiped off the books after the buyout? I didn’t realize the actual dollars for the buyout is that low. Of the $5M is wiped off the books I’d buy him out no question.
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No the Flames would have 4.67 million on the cap this year (Oilers would have 667K) and then the Flames would have 293K next year. Chiarelli basically set up a buyout proof contract.
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07-25-2022, 03:59 PM
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#270
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
Re: Kessel
OK he wasn't useless last season. I knew he potted just 8 but didn't realize he racked up the assists.
I'd hit him with a 2x4 in a month if he's still unsigned then.
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Phil needs to be motivated. It’s just been very unclear which type of coach does that. He’s worked under hard and soft coaches and I’ve always been under the impression he marches to his own drummer regardless. World class talent but plays whenever he chooses. You take the good with the bad but realize you can live with that on the second line on a championship team but accepting that from a first liner isn’t acceptable.
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07-25-2022, 04:01 PM
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#271
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug
I think to start the year, Toffoli will get a look on the top line, leaving a potential Pelletier-Ruzicka-Dube third line. Not ideal, but they could be sheltered.
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Too many kids. I'd use Monahan there and swap Ruz to 4C. Ruz isn't good at faceoffs yet and you don't want those guys chasing it all the time. I think Pelletier could help reignite Monny.
Remember that Darryl didn't trust Ruzicka at all to play him in the PO's, while Ritchie got 7 games.
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07-25-2022, 04:01 PM
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#272
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarongavey
No the Flames would have 4.67 million on the cap this year (Oilers would have 667K) and then the Flames would have 293K next year. Chiarelli basically set up a buyout proof contract.
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I see. Personally I see that as eat it for one season. Live with the guy on the fourth line in a season where they probably won’t win it, but he’s not sinking you.
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07-25-2022, 04:03 PM
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#273
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I believe in the Jays.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarongavey
He effectively costs 1 million this year.
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Real dollars yes... but he costs way more then that in terms of cap dollars. Few teams want a a guy who takes 5M off the cap on the 4th line.
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07-25-2022, 04:14 PM
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#274
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Parallex
Real dollars yes... but he costs way more then that in terms of cap dollars. Few teams want a a guy who takes 5M off the cap on the 4th line.
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Somebody tanking for Bedard that wants to hit the cap floor.
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07-25-2022, 04:40 PM
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#275
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BoLevi
Somebody tanking for Bedard that wants to hit the cap floor.
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He is probably worth a 4th rounder coming the Flames way in that scenario.
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07-25-2022, 04:44 PM
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#276
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
He is probably worth a 4th rounder coming the Flames way in that scenario.
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That's fine. You do it for the cap space anyway. If someone wants to take Looch off of our hands for a 4th, jump on that.
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07-25-2022, 04:45 PM
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#277
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BoLevi
Somebody tanking for Bedard that wants to hit the cap floor.
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Has any team yet really struggled to get to the floor?
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07-25-2022, 05:36 PM
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#278
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Kessel won’t be coming to Calgary.
I’m assuming he’ll retire if he doesn’t find something he wants. Not a Sutter guy and already has cups.
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07-25-2022, 05:54 PM
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#279
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fleury
I strongly believe Huberdeau is a stronger player than Tkachuk today, in the sense he’s a more naturally gifted scorer. And by the same token he’s on par with Johnny, if not slightly better. Having said that, what does a contract look like for him at different tenures?
5 years - $10M/season
6 years - $9.8M/season
7 years - $9.5M/season
8 years - $9.3M/season
I really think they shouldn’t go beyond 6 years for Huberdeau, even if they have to pay him a little more money near term. They’re not in the drivers seat here considering they are a desperate bride at the moment. I think it’ll be a quick signing at 8 years within the next two weeks.
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I doubt Huberdeau takes less than 10M on a 8 year deal. Give him $10.5 on a 8 year deal and start rebuilding in 5 years when the contract starts to look ugly.
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07-25-2022, 06:33 PM
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#280
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by djsFlames
Re: Kessel
OK he wasn't useless last season. I knew he potted just 8 but didn't realize he racked up the assists.
I'd hit him with a 2x4 in a month if he's still unsigned then.
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Who are you trading to bring in the useless Kessell at a $4M cap hit?
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