[News] UPD: Tkachuk arbitration hearing set for Aug 11

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by CrazyCaper

I wouldn't wish working at McDonald's on Cape Breton Island on my worst enemy!!

That's how Johnny Gaudreau's mother thought when she learned that her son had been drafted by the Flames.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Flames have a lot farther to fall than Chicago. Getting to bottom three would require more than punting Tkachuk and Markstrom.

Find a spot for Tanev during the off-season and you end up with this roster:

Dube-Lindholm-Toffoli
Coleman-Backlund-Mangiapane
Lucic-Trash-Trash
Trash-Trash-Trash

Hanifin-Andersson
Kylington-Trash
Trash-Trash

Vladar
Trash

Looks bottom 3 to me.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

The contenders don’t have lottery picks or blue chips

We’ll get some packages similar to Iginla’s

Ugh, it’s the negative hyperbole like that of your last paragraph that just ruins sensible conversation around here.

I agree with your first paragraph and the backed sentiment that the trade deadline is not the optimal time for a Chucky trade. But then you follow it up with the painfully whiny garbage about how he’d draw Iginla like return? Is it just for effect?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Find a spot for Tanev during the off-season and you end up with this roster:

Dube-Lindholm-Toffoli
Coleman-Backlund-Mangiapane
Lucic-Trash-Trash
Trash-Trash-Trash

Hanifin-Andersson
Kylington-Trash
Trash-Trash

Vladar
Trash

Looks bottom 3 to me.

Certainly not OptimistTates

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I will applaud the management team for this ballsy move. Though to me this is probably a clear indication that Tkachuk is pushing for short term only, in which case we SHOULD trade him and anyone else. But I understand ownership likely is not allowing this.

What's the indicator for Tkachuk looking for a short term deal (and what are you defining as short term)? If it's 4 years I think that's perfect. I don't want any player locked up greater than 5 years when they're not a franchise player. That's me personally. I wasn't happy that we didn't get assets for Gaudreau but an 8 year deal is a tough pill to swallow. If Tkachuk wants a 4 year deal @ $10M, sign him and deal him at the draft.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Ugh, it’s the negative hyperbole like that of your last paragraph that just ruins sensible conversation around here.

I agree with your first paragraph and the backed sentiment that the trade deadline is not the optimal time for a Chucky trade. But then you follow it up with the painfully whiny garbage about how he’d draw Iginla like return? Is it just for effect?

But you would receive an Iginla package. You hope the prospect and draft pick end up being better, but a prospect (that is a contenders better prospect but far from a blue chipper), a late first and maybe a young roster player is what you should expect for nearly all top tier rentals.

[Knut]

Sutter bump adds 10 standing spots.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

No, this is where you are wrong. Tkachuk has an immediate built-in excuse for any drop in production - the Flames allowed Johnny Hockey to walk for free and did not replace him with competent NHL talent. Some team will be dumb enough to bite on that and pay him for that 104 point season from the past. Just look at what he can do with first line time and top end talent! Someone will look at the circumstances of the broken up 1st line and pay the man his money.

As long as that team (a) has a Johnny Gaudreau-type playmaker and (b) can pay Tkachuk what he wants. Good luck with that.

Who do you have in mind?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

No, this is where you are wrong. Tkachuk has an immediate built-in excuse for any drop in production - the Flames allowed Johnny Hockey to walk for free and did not replace him with competent NHL talent. Some team will be dumb enough to bite on that and pay him for that 104 point season from the past.

An argument that begins ‘Some team will be dumb enough’ is not convincing.

Just look at what he can do with first line time and top end talent! Someone will look at the circumstances of the broken up 1st line and pay the man his money.

Tell me, what team out there has equivalent linemates for Tkachuk, AND the cap space to add him to the roster without damaging it in other ways?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

No. This previous draft they should have known if Gaudreau was signing or not. When they confirmed he wasn’t, they should have gone into the rebuild during the draft and this off-season to gut the team so they could give them best chance to win the lottery that they could.

Chicago traded all their players this off-season so next off-season they will be drafting high.

Gaudreau leaves, trade Tkachuk to NJ for that 2nd overall, find a spot for Markstrom, trade for Mrazek to recoup a first round pick in 2022, so they draft 2nd and 25th, then go into this season with no hope of competing giving them the best chance possible to draft a franchise player next season. Like Chicago did.

But if NJ didn’t actually offer the 2nd overall you trade him to whoever the highest bidder is, and you don’t have the high 2nd rounder to trade to Toronto so you give up… what?

Chicago traded two players this off season. They let a bunch of value guys walk for nothing. Which is fine.

I’m fine with moving Tkachuk for a pick in 2023 over one in 2022. Also allows you to find a better value deal instead of rushing the trade.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Find a spot for Tanev during the off-season and you end up with this roster:

Dube-Lindholm-Toffoli
Coleman-Backlund-Mangiapane
Lucic-Trash-Trash
Trash-Trash-Trash

Hanifin-Andersson
Kylington-Trash
Trash-Trash

Vladar
Trash

Looks bottom 3 to me.

They're not trash, they're human beings!

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

But if NJ didn’t actually offer the 2nd overall you trade him to whoever the highest bidder is, and you don’t have the high 2nd rounder to trade to Toronto so you give up… what?

Chicago traded two players this off season. They let a bunch of value guys walk for nothing. Which is fine.

I’m fine with moving Tkachuk for a pick in 2023 over one in 2022. Also allows you to find a better value deal instead of rushing the trade.

Trade for Ladd then for more than Mrazek.

But yes, trade Tkachuk to highest bidder, use cap space to recover assets, suck a year or two, hope to draft franchise players.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Imagine your seventeen year old daughter wants to get a job flipping burgers, but in order to do so, she has to enter a draft and could wind up working at a McDonald's in Cape Breton instead of Calgary. It makes no sense. There's no draft in soccer, kids are free agents (outside of MLS) and are free to sign with any team they like for whatever money that team is willing to pay them.

This might be one of the dumbest analogies I've read. Kids don't have to play professional hockey. It's a lottery ticket. If my daughter was offered an entry level contract of $925,000 to flip burgers in Cape Breton I'd strongly suggest she take the offer.

[midniteowl]

I think what would be easier for OptimalTates is go cheer or Arizona, because they are constantly tanking. It would save so much time for him typing all those gibberish. Unless, he just want to troll everyone.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Flames have a lot farther to fall than Chicago. Getting to bottom three would require more than punting Tkachuk and Markstrom.

Tanking with a team that won the division is a heck of a lot harder than people on here seem to think.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Imagine your seventeen year old daughter wants to get a job flipping burgers, but in order to do so, she has to enter a draft and could wind up working at a McDonald's in Cape Breton instead of Calgary. It makes no sense. There's no draft in soccer, kids are free agents (outside of MLS) and are free to sign with any team they like for whatever money that team is willing to pay them.

Better analogy would be if your daughter wanted to work for In N Out but she can’t find one in Calgary so now has to decide if she would be willing to flip burgers for McDonalds in Calgary or move to a place with In N Out.

[Erick Estrada]

I assume that this was done to try and facilitate a trade with another team.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

I think what would be easier for OptimalTates is go cheer or Arizona, because they are constantly tanking. It would save so much time for him typing all those gibberish. Unless, he just want to troll everyone.

If you don’t believe that the general manager who hasn’t built a team that advanced to the third round is the best general manager ever then find a new team! Who cares if it’s been nearly 20 years since the Flames were relevant at all.

I’m a Flames fan for decades, during the dark times both in the past and I believe the ones coming soon, I’ve earned my right to complain about management.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Tanking with a team that won the division is a heck of a lot harder than people on here seem to think.

It's like they've blocked that fact out of their minds. The Narrative™ is that the Flames are on an endless treadmill of mediocrity, forever finishing between 8th and 12th in the conference, and only a complete tank job can possibly save them. Whenever anything different happens (like this year or 2018-19), they simply make excuses to ignore those events so The Narrative™ can remain intact.

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

I’ve earned my right to complain about management.

You haven't earned the right to complain that management failed to do things no manager could ever do.

But if you're so dead set that a total tear-down and rebuild is the only thing worth cheering for, then yes, you probably would be a lot happier as an Arizona fan. They've got nothing but scorched earth and draft picks – just the way you like it.

[OptimalTates]

No, I think last year was an awesome opportunity and I liked them going all in with Toffoli and Jankrok because the Flames had Gaudreau, Tkachuk and Lindholm locked up to amazing deals.

But they squandered the opportunity, for one reason or another, and now that opportunity has closed but we’re still clawing at the door hoping it opens again.