[PGT] Flames lay an egg

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Listening to Overtime and Pat just mentioned that apparently the players only meeting was the leadership group of the team telling chucky he plays too hard and he can’t stir things up each and every night...

That is a huge red flag. If our team is actively telling teammates to not care then we as fans may as well not care.

It’s too “telephone game-y” to be a red flag, much less a huge one

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Listening to Overtime and Pat just mentioned that apparently the players only meeting was the leadership group of the team telling chucky he plays too hard and he can’t stir things up each and every night...

That is a huge red flag. If our team is actively telling teammates to not care then we as fans may as well not care.

I find that highly suspect and your interpretation even more so.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Honestly, as the one place that can maybe make a true difference, this forum should think about starting a petition for a specific coach. Especially considering that Flames' management was reportedly turned off on a potential DeAngelo move after the immediate backlash they got, I think our voices could be heard that we're tired of these crap coaches we keep getting anchored with.

I for one, would happily welcome back Darryl Sutter. That guy knows how to win and how to get the most out of his players

Well there is a difference between employing a guy with an offensive history when your organization consists of people who are looked up to in the community (social implications), and a coach (really a hockey decision)

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by DropIt

Win and no mention of coaching

Loss and its only the coaches fault?

Honestly I don’t love to come in to the thread to nitpick after a win so I usually don’t do it, but there have been a lot of questionable coaching decisions in the wins as well

One example was playing Nordstrom and Froese with 3 minutes left last game even though they had one shift in the third prior to that.

The other one they always do putting Backlund-Lindholm-Tkachuk as one line out there with about 2 minutes left and either expect them to hold the lead to end the game or then have no other defensive forwards outside of Mangiapane to throw out there to end a game. It’s what cost them Game 4 of the playoffs against Dallas when those three played over 3 minutes to end the game before getting scored on with seconds left.

Coaching, from both a player utilization and systems perspective is always questionable with this staff. Usually when we win it’s because we had a good night on the PP and our goaltending had a good game. But the team plays safe and boring hockey at 5v5 where they are afraid to make a play or make a mistake.

[Young Guns]

Dominated from start to finish. Is the Canucks penalty Killing that good? Must be the reason the Flames couldn’t get the puck past the blue line. Something is painfully missing from this lineup and I really feel it’s skill and heart. (Captain obvious)Says something when you pull the goalie and put Leivo on the ice. Not sure what he has on Ward but it’s big.
Tired of watching them going backwards every game.
Let’s see here....I can chip the puck out and make the smart play, or maybe I can pass it to the guy wide open at centre ice. Nah, let’s pass it backwards into our own end again until we cough it up. At least we have a goalie again!

[Igottago]

Thats how many games in a row where the Flames have been badly outshot/outplayed in the first period? The team is making Markstrom do all the work. Luckily they managed to get a few wins that way but it can't last. If they'd been facing better teams there could've been a few bad loses in a row. Still a lot of concerns with this team, and it seems they can't match the intensity of a desperate team. If that doesn't change the playoffs will be short yet again.

[Patek23]

I will just copy and paste what I said after the first period in the GT, because its still relevant:


I'm a huge fan. And I know I come across as very pessimistic on this board. But it’s part of being a 25 year plus fan, and consistently let down year after year. All I know is pain, aside from one magical year (that we got robbed). But this team is in big trouble.

If it wasn’t for Markstrom, we’d be a bottom feeder. We have the same warts. I imagine we make the playoffs maybe even 2Nd or 3rd seed cause I feel overall the North division is really weak. But I just fail to see a contender here.

[SuperMatt18]

Couple of things on Mackey.

Think we all need to remember that it was his first real game in pretty much a calendar year, he has not stepped foot in a preseason or AHL game, and honestly didn’t look too out of place.

I thought he moved pretty well for his size, didn’t seem to use his body or size to dislodge a player from the puck, and he makes hard crisp passes.

He needs to work on his instincts and positioning but that will come as he adjusts to the pace of the NHL and For a guy that hasn’t played a real game since March 7th 2020 that probably isn’t unexpected.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

People naturally start to float at anything in a team environment when there is a casual atmosphere and a lack of accountability.

It's not about handling it childishly like Gulutzan did. That buys you short term effort and then you've already exhausted your "limits" and guys probably stop taking you seriously.

But it's about being firm and calling a spade a spade when certain players are letting the group down. It's about not letting them off the hook when they decide to have efforts like tonight. That approach is what helps you minimize efforts like tonight.

The team needs accountability to keep them engaged.

"Always earned, never given" was the best motto this club ever had. Wish we could get back to that.

You also have to be fair. When the coach is putting the wrong group of players out there during important times of the game you risk losing the room! When players put in the effort and do things there should be some merit.

[heep223]

Watched this one with some Canucks fans. ####

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by DropIt

Win and no mention of coaching

Loss and its only the coaches fault?

There were some comments about not liking how he used Dube on Thursday.

Unless you want to be constantly negative no matter what it's easier to let go of the negatives when your team wins.

[Harry Lime]

Much like Gully, a coach losing the room when he makes the game no fun for the players. Combine that with not winning, then you have the problem.

The only player allowed to enter the zone with speed is Johnny. All others are treated like plugs.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Couple of things on Mackey.

Think we all need to remember that it was his first real game in pretty much a calendar year, he has not stepped foot in a preseason or AHL game, and honestly didn’t look too out of place.

I thought he moved pretty well for his size, didn’t seem to use his body or size to dislodge a player from the puck, and he makes hard crisp passes.

He needs to work on his instincts and positioning but that will come as he adjusts to the pace of the NHL and For a guy that hasn’t played a real game since March 7th 2020 that probably isn’t unexpected.

I thought he was pretty good considering all that you stated. To me he looked like the pace wasn't beyond him (he wasn't just going off the glass and out). I mean he wasn't noticed for bad play all game and all he's been doing is practicing. Imagine what he'll be like after some games.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I find that highly suspect and your interpretation even more so.

Go find the Elliott Friedman quote. Pat mentioned this came from Elliott

Gio is a ####ty captain. It’s clear. But there’s also no one better on this roster. We have a team of guys who are just happy to drive their range rovers and enjoy their paycheques with #### all attitude

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Go find the Elliott Friedman quote. Pat mentioned this came from Elliott

Gio is a ####ty captain. It’s clear. But there’s also no one better. We have a team of guys who are just happy to drive their range rovers and enjoy their paycheques with #### all attitude

If the quote is about Tkachuk, and that’s what you want to hang your hat on, let’s do that

If the team took issue with Tkachuk, would that be good or bad?

I haven’t loved his game this year so far. Toronto and tonight , he was more noticeable after the horn than during the game.

He could have made a difference tonight. But didn’t.

Your turn. Is it on the rest of the team?

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Go find the Elliott Friedman quote. Pat mentioned this came from Elliott

Gio is a ####ty captain. It’s clear. But there’s also no one better on this roster. We have a team of guys who are just happy to drive their range rovers and enjoy their paycheques with #### all attitude

This actually true. This team strikes me as a bunch of guys who do want to win and become a great team, but have no idea how to actually dig deep enough to make it happen. But they will never thrive in comfort. We've seen what they've done when pushed though. This group needs a general behind the bench. None of the players know how to hate losing enough. That includes Gio, as good as he is. Is Ward really going to push them to the next level?

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Go find the Elliott Friedman quote. Pat mentioned this came from Elliott

Gio is a ####ty captain. It’s clear. But there’s also no one better on this roster. We have a team of guys who are just happy to drive their range rovers and enjoy their paycheques with #### all attitude

I think.you can get the give a #### back with the injection of fresh blood. It has to be a big one though. The team needs change and it should start now. Take advantage of a bad year.

[flamesrule14]

Thank god for Markstrom or that could have been an ugly one. Man I don’t know what that was, but oh boy what an awful game to watch. Canucks had the flames figured out and they couldn’t do anything about it. Not to pile on Ward, but that’s his job and he made no adjustments tonight. I know it was tough with Backs out, but he has to do something.

I’ve been saying it for awhile now, but I just don’t know what’s up with Tkachuk. He’s just off and not the same player. He’s a pro and I can’t question his give a crap meter and he hates losing, but right now his effort is concerning. That whole line hasn’t been good for a while now. Might be time to split them up. I do wonder if something was said in the players meeting with Tkachuk.

Hopefully Backs injury isn’t anything serious. Could get ugly without him as he was playing so well.

[Traditional_Ale]

Telling Chucky to stop being Chucky? What in the actual eff? That's like telling NWA to stop being black.

[nixon45]

Ward needs to be shown the door immediately and he can take that absolute dud of a GM with him.

Both are complete garbage at their jobs.