[Signing] Flames re-sign Stone (3 yrs, $3.5 mil AAV)

[Mony]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yes, as you've said... and as has been repeatedly pointed out to you, making several good decisions does not make your subsequent bad decisions any less bad. Having good contracts in your top four provides you with an opportunity to use those savings in a way that makes your team better. Doing this is a waste of that opportunity, and is therefore something that should be frowned upon.

I would have said "spend the money on forwards". But if you really absolutely had to have another defenceman, take that 3.5 million and put it towards Del Zotto or Franson or hell, spend half that much on Patrick Wiercioch. All of whom are much better at hockey than Michael Stone is.

All teams have one or two of these overpayments, for sure. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't try to avoid them.

This. So much this.

Also, where is the room for kids to play now? We have an abundance of kids that look like they're trending great to fill those bottom D spots and now one of the spots is plugged. I get that people are afraid of playing kids but it has to happen at some point. 3 years blocks that for a sizeable chunk of time. One year would've been fine. But 3?

I don't usually fall for the college player scare the way some people do but you have to wonder if a guy like Fox looks at this now and thinks he'll find better opportunity somewhere else.

Oh, and we bled another pick.

I'll see how this turns out but right now I don't like it very much.

[Jbo]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

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#Flames re-signing Michael Stone prior to 07/01, means Arizona will now also get Calgary's 5th RD pick in 2018 as part of the trade package.

It's only a 5th, but why wouldn't we have waited 12 hours?

Maybe the agreement had nothing to do with FA period, and just if he did re-sign?

[Roof-Daddy]

Wow, just caught up on the thread.

I see the vocal minority is at it again.

Some of you whiners don't deserve a D core this stacked and deep.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

We have a 5th and 2 7ths in the draft now next year. Did i get that right?

no. Two 4ths, a 6th and a 7th.

https://capfriendly.com/teams/flames

[IrishSpring2013]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

We have a 5th and 2 7ths in the draft now next year. Did i get that right?

Two 4s, 6th and 7

[colbym72]

Originally Posted by Stanley

Del Zotto or Franson? Really? I don't get the love for Cody "turnovers" Franson.

Because people have just looked at the advanced numbers without watching him actually play D

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

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#Flames re-signing Michael Stone prior to 07/01, means Arizona will now also get Calgary's 5th RD pick in 2018 as part of the trade package.

It's only a 5th, but why wouldn't we have waited 12 hours?

Interesting, my understanding was the condition was if they re-signed him at all

Maybe they were worried the Leafs or Jets would swoop in and give him 4 mil

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

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#Flames re-signing Michael Stone prior to 07/01, means Arizona will now also get Calgary's 5th RD pick in 2018 as part of the trade package.

It's only a 5th, but why wouldn't we have waited 12 hours?

Ryan Pike apparently confirmed with the team a few weeks ago the Flames would lose the pick even if they signed Stone after July 1st. Similar condition to the Elliott trade

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Jbo

Maybe the agreement had nothing to do with FA period, and just if he did re-sign?

Yeah, Treliving did confirm a few weeks back in an interview that the condition was whether he re-signed or not, July 1 did not matter.

[Stanley]

Did I just read Smid 2.0?

Wow...someone needs to go smoke some kush

[calumniate]

I was wanting to get Stone back from day 1, but didn't think we would. He's intelligent, well-spoken and wants to be here. He's great a rubbing people out and is smart around his own net. Was able to pot a few goals as well. Didn't think we'd get him after the Hamonic trade!

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by Parallex

No we didn't. We got a #5 signed for to long and to much. It's Smid 2.0.

I am so glad that you aren't our GM.

Brad knows hockey.

You....not so much...

But feel free to express your opinions.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by devo22

no. Two 4ths, a 6th and a 7th.

https://capfriendly.com/teams/flames

Ok just trying to get caught up.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Stanley

Did I just read Smid 2.0?

Wow...someone needs to go smoke some kush

No kidding. And I thought started drinking too early today. Some of you are out to lunch

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by Stanley

Did I just read Smid 2.0?

Wow...someone needs to go smoke some kush

Perhaps that's the problem...

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

CapFriendly‏ @CapFriendly
#Flames re-signing Michael Stone prior to 07/01, means Arizona will now also get Calgary's 5th RD pick in 2018 as part of the trade package.

It's only a 5th, but why wouldn't we have waited 12 hours?

Probably because if he gets to July 1st that the agent at the very least has to present his client offers from other teams and if a desperate team comes to him with a $4.5 x 3 offer or something like that he probably has to seriously consider that over this contract.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yes, Hamonic and Stone are much better than Wideman and Engelland. No, this is not a good excuse for signing an unnecessary bad contract that overpays a guy for three years. Those $1m overpayments add up and prevent you from getting players that can put you over the top.

You are the most self righteous poster on the message board. NHL GM's have more knowledge, experience and data that you do when they make these decisions. They also have to deal with something called a "free market" which is what determines the value of a player.

I'm sure everyone is tired of you continually stating how much smarter you are than the people who actually get paid to do this for a living. This isn't The Big Short and you aren't the genius sitting in the corner that's figured everything out.

[CalgaryFan1988]

It's not always about where he slots in, in the Flames lineup. It's about Stones value around the league. I think 3.5 for 3 gives Stone value and makes him an asset on the blue line, or in a trade down the road if it doesn't work out.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Mony

This. So much this.

Also, where is the room for kids to play now? We have an abundance of kids that look like they're trending great to fill those bottom D spots and now one of the spots is plugged. .

How is this point lost on a few of you who are panicking:

There's room for a rookie *right now*.

IF two rookies come in and outplay Stone (unlikely immediately) even a year from now, we trade Stone to re-coup pics. He can easily be converted to other assets and we insert the young emerging rookie(s).

Couldn't be more simple and that would be a GOOD problem to have, if it arises.


In the meantime, we solidify one of the best top fives in the league, and don't have to worry about inserting a rookie into the top four if there's an injury.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I for one an A-OK with Treliving turning his phone off tomorrow. We're going to need that cap space next year to re-sign Backlund, and Treliving doesn't exactly have a stellar track record on July 1st

If his plan is to stack the D and let the forward group grow, I'm on board with that. Flames trouble wasn't scoring, it was getting scored on

Completely agreed. I think the only major need was that number 5 dman . With this done sit back, see if there are any bargain fwds but I'd be ok with our forwards as they stand today with the rfa's signed.

Man, the only major roster question mark is goaltending. If the flames can get top 3rd goaltending, no reason this can't be a contender.