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Dr. Doom · 03-20-2016, 07:29 AM

What I love about this is that anyone and everyone who could potentially be burnt by this will want to get ahead of it ASAP to maximize and ensure they aren't on the outside looking in missing a dance partner. I see a lot of movement this summer because of this should be fun for the Flames, potentially lots of options

Lanny_McDonald · 03-20-2016, 07:59 AM

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Uh, I don't think you meant the bolded bit. Come again?

Duh. The expansion draft will take place before the entry draft.

killer_carlson · 03-20-2016, 12:01 PM

Which other veteran NHL starting goalies, aside from Fleury, could be on the market because of this?

Roof-Daddy · 03-20-2016, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Which other veteran NHL starting goalies, aside from Fleury, could be on the market because of this?

TBL - Bishop - pushed by Vasilevskiy
PIT - Fleury - pushed by Murray
ARI - Smith - pushed by Domingue
ANA - Andersen - pushed by Gibson
COL - Varlamov - pushed by Pickard (stretch IMO)
DET - Howard - pushed by Mrazek (already relegated to back up role)
DAL - Lehtonen - pushed by Niemi (two vets - already relegated to back up role)
MIN - Dubnyk - pushed by Kuemper (Kuemper probably more likely available)
NYI - Halak - pushed by Greiss (two vets)
PHI - Mason - pushed by Neuvirth (two younger vets)
STL - Elliot - pushed by Allen
VAN - Miller - pushed by Markstrom
WIN - Pavelec - pushed by Hellebuyck

jayswin · 03-20-2016, 03:11 PM

The funniest part of this is upwards of 15 teams might bend over backwards to make moves to not lose one goalie for nothing, but the expansion team is only going to take two.

It's going to be funny if a team out there makes a huge move with little return to not expose a good goalie and then ends up losing a really good forward/defenseman instead.

Enoch Root · 03-20-2016, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jayswin

The funniest part of this is upwards of 15 teams might bend over backwards to make moves to not lose one goalie for nothing, but the expansion team is only going to take two.

It's going to be funny if a team out there makes a huge move with little return to not expose a good goalie and then ends up losing a really good forward/defenseman instead.

I think it's a safe bet that they take at least 3, if not more.

jayswin · 03-20-2016, 03:28 PM

I'm unfamiliar with the expansion draft process, how many picks do they typically get at each position? Or is it just a total number of picks and they can do whatever they want?

You'd think if they don't cap the number of goalie picks and they are already historically good players for an expansion team that they could really come out laughing in the goalie department. Just load up on two qualified starters and 2 strong prospect goalies and see what happens and then trade the excess later.

Vulcan · 03-20-2016, 03:44 PM

Every NHL team has to have 3 signed goalies. The expansion team could also sign UFA goalies.

getbak · 03-20-2016, 03:50 PM

In the last round of expansion, the teams had to take a minimum of 3 goalies, 8 defencemen, and 13 forwards (first 24 picks). Then, they could take players from any position with their final two picks (there were 26 teams losing players at the time).

Minnesota ended up taking 4 goalies and Nashville took 5.

3 of the goalies Nashville claimed never played in the Predators organization. One was traded; one was claimed off waivers; and one was Mike Richter, who they claimed from the Rangers in the Draft, then he signed as a UFA with the Rangers days later (they received a compensatory draft pick for "losing" him to free agency).

Because teams don't receive compensation for losing UFAs anymore, we're unlikely to see any pending UFAs claimed in this round of expansion.

killer_carlson · 03-20-2016, 03:53 PM

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TBL - Bishop - pushed by Vasilevskiy
PIT - Fleury - pushed by Murray
ARI - Smith - pushed by Domingue
ANA - Andersen - pushed by Gibson
COL - Varlamov - pushed by Pickard (stretch IMO)
DET - Howard - pushed by Mrazek (already relegated to back up role)
DAL - Lehtonen - pushed by Niemi (two vets - already relegated to back up role)
MIN - Dubnyk - pushed by Kuemper (Kuemper probably more likely available)
NYI - Halak - pushed by Greiss (two vets)
PHI - Mason - pushed by Neuvirth (two younger vets)
STL - Elliot - pushed by Allen
VAN - Miller - pushed by Markstrom
WIN - Pavelec - pushed by Hellebuyck

Looking at the cap hits and play in the last 2-3 years, and Dubnyk is actually fairly attractive from that list.

My top 3:
Fleury
Mason
Dubnyk

getbak · 03-20-2016, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

TBL - Bishop - pushed by Vasilevskiy
PIT - Fleury - pushed by Murray
ARI - Smith - pushed by Domingue
ANA - Andersen - pushed by Gibson
COL - Varlamov - pushed by Pickard (stretch IMO)
DET - Howard - pushed by Mrazek (already relegated to back up role)
DAL - Lehtonen - pushed by Niemi (two vets - already relegated to back up role)
MIN - Dubnyk - pushed by Kuemper (Kuemper probably more likely available)
NYI - Halak - pushed by Greiss (two vets)
PHI - Mason - pushed by Neuvirth (two younger vets)
STL - Elliot - pushed by Allen
VAN - Miller - pushed by Markstrom
WIN - Pavelec - pushed by Hellebuyck

Bishop, Mason, Elliott, Pavelec, and Miller will all be pending UFAs next summer. Unless their teams sign them to extensions before the Expansion Draft, none of them will need to be moved for protection.

Andersen is a RFA this summer, so we'll see how that plays out. He could sign a one-year deal and also be a UFA next summer. I wouldn't be surprised if Anaheim moves him this summer, but not because of concerns over the Expansion Draft.

Arizona and Detroit are probably hoping that Smith and Howard get claimed in the Expansion Draft just to get out from under those contracts.

killer_carlson · 03-20-2016, 04:14 PM

I'd also add to the list:

Boston: Tukka Rask pushed by Subban

Coach · 03-20-2016, 06:28 PM

Elliot or Anderson would be my preference.

Fire of the Phoenix · 03-20-2016, 06:56 PM

I really like the idea of Fleury. He's probably the best of what's available and still has 5-6 more years in the tank.

BACKCHECK!!! · 03-20-2016, 09:49 PM

Fleury is 31, and was never that good to begin with. I don't see him being an above-average #1 goalie when he's 36+ years old.

And even at his peak, he has had some of the worst playoff performances I've ever seen.

I didn't even cheer for either team, but the Battle of Pennsylvania playoff series a few years back with Bryzgalov vs Fleury is still seared into my memory as literally the worst playoff series I've ever witnessed. Him getting replaced by a 400 year old Tomas Vokoun is also a salient highlight.

No thanks.

Flames Draft Watcher · 03-20-2016, 10:09 PM

Yeah M.A. Fleury is sketchy, seen him let in so many weak goals. And they'd want a ransom for him. I'd rather trade for Andersen or sign Reimer.

Fire of the Phoenix · 03-20-2016, 10:10 PM

I think Fleury could get this team to the playoffs. He's not a superstar, but he has won over 300 NHL games in his career. With him in net as our starter this year, we are at least a bubble team, if not a playoff team. Yes, he has had some playoff meltdowns, but I think he would be the best option when you factor in pedigree, acquisition cost and availability. Most of the names on that list are not confidence inspiring for me, at least Fleury is proven, and his contract is definitely manageable.

Fire of the Phoenix · 03-20-2016, 10:16 PM

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Yeah M.A. Fleury is sketchy, seen him let in so many weak goals. And they'd want a ransom for him. I'd rather trade for Andersen or sign Reimer.

They might have demanded a ransom before the expansion rules came out, but I think the landscape had changed. Depending on how they view Murray, they might want to move Fleury sooner rather than later and sign a FA throwaway guy to play in a tandem with Murray. If I'm Las Vegas' GM, and I have a chance to grab Fleury as one of my 4 goalies, it would be a pretty easy call.

powderjunkie · 03-21-2016, 10:57 AM

Trading Fleury would be smart for PIT IMO; he's more likely to be the reason they don't contend than the reason they do. With all of the solid, cheap 1B UFA goalies, they can ease Murray in in a platoon. They can then use the free 5M to bolster their D core.

sureLoss · 03-21-2016, 12:42 PM

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Trading Fleury would be smart for PIT IMO; he's more likely to be the reason they don't contend than the reason they do. With all of the solid, cheap 1B UFA goalies, they can ease Murray in in a platoon. They can then use the free 5M to bolster their D core.

That's if he allows them to trade him. His NTC lets him list 12 teams he will accept a trade to. All he has to do is name 12 teams with established high paid starters and it becomes very unlikely they can trade him.