[Trade] Sens Acquire Phaneuf in 9 Player Trade

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Calgary_81

Hey BigTuna, this question stumped Elliot Friedman:

Name one star the leafs actually created since 2005? I will tell you Friedman's answer one I hear yours.

Created? Rask technically. If it's guys that played for them really none.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

So arrogant. You really think that the league revolves around the Leafs, don't you?

I truly believe they are the NHLs most important franchise.

[Jay Random]

The Leafs haven't been an important franchise since 1967. Time to wake up and smell the coffin.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Yeah and Jeff Petry makes 5.5 million and Subban 9 million. You can use all kinds of examples to try to justify a salary.

Just like you're trying to justify Dion's salary?

Originally Posted by BigTuna

The fact is for a guy with Dion's numbers over the past decade who has been UFA eligible, the contract is not that bad.
Now he's in Ottawa you'll hear nothing about his salary. When's the last time someone mentioned David Clarkson's salary?

Maybe YOU'LL hear nothing about his salary, doesn't mean no one else will. Goodness are you really that egocentric? You come off as pretty arrogant in comments such as this one:

Originally Posted by BigTuna

He's off the Leafs. No one will care.

If you can't see why people on this forum can't take you seriously then you really are out to lunch.

Originally Posted by BigTuna

And who cares about Glencross? It's a cap era. The deal had to include other pieces to work for a 7 million salary. Glencross was cheap.Your examples are absurd. Ottawa got Karlsson at a cheap rate because he was so young and never been UFA. Klinberg makes 4.25 million for the next 6 years. Why not use him as an example too? All these guys signed deals during different times in their careers and with different caps. If Montreal signed Subban long term instead of the stupid "Bridge" contract, he likely makes 6-7 million now.

My point is any defensemen who is good enough to make 7M would net something much more than what Dion returned. Your argument that the deal needed to include other piece to make the cap hit work doesn't address the fact that the return on Phaneuf is quite underwhelming IF he is a player deserving of his 7M contract as you are claiming.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

I truly believe they are the NHLs most important franchise.

They could disappear tomorrow and the league would still go on. The Stanley Cup playoffs wouldn't notice they were missing, that's for sure.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

They could disappear tomorrow and the league would still go on. The Stanley Cup playoffs wouldn't notice they were missing, that's for sure.

The NHL wouldn't miss the NHL high 29 million in revenue sharing? Bye bye Florida Panthers.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

The NHL wouldn't miss the NHL high 29 million in revenue sharing? Bye bye Florida Panthers.

No, it wouldn't. Because the revenue sharing system is designed to adjust. Everyone moves up a slot, some teams pay more, life goes on.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

No, it wouldn't. Because the revenue sharing system is designed to adjust. Everyone moves up a slot, some teams pay more, life goes on.

Not only that, the national television deals would be divided 29 ways instead of 30. And if you think people in Hogtown would stop watching NHL hockey because the Leafs weren't in town, I refer you to the NFL's experience in Los Angeles for the last 21 years.

[Resolute 14]

Well, it doesn't seem like Dion's tripped over his own two feet today, so that's an improvement. He might have gotten a stick on Colorado's first goal though.

[Strange Brew]

The Leafs are no doubt one of the league's flagship franchises.

"Most important"? I don't think teams are ranked in order of importance. Did you mean "pompous"?

[BigTuna]

So are people on here telling me they expected: A-Dion could be traded at all or B-he would ever be traded without the Leafs eating significant salary for the next 5 years?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

So are people on here telling me they expected: A-Dion could be traded at all or B-he would ever be traded without the Leafs eating significant salary for the next 5 years?

Are you telling us you didn't claim that Phaneuf was a top pairing defenseman?

And if so, how do you justify trading him for garbage?

[badger89]

Most were claiming that Dion wouldn't return much in a trade due to his contact, which doesn't match his level of play. Seems like they were correct. You need to eat some crow (or pubes).

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[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

So are people on here telling me they expected: A-Dion could be traded at all or B-he would ever be traded without the Leafs eating significant salary for the next 5 years?

Nope. People around here are saying Dion is not a top flight defenseman, and therefor is overpaid and underperforming as to his contract. Given this, he could be traded for A- pu-pu platter of crap players and contracts, or B- salary retained for a slightly less crappy pu-pu platter.

I think people around here got it about right.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

So are people on here telling me they expected: A-Dion could be traded at all or B-he would ever be traded without the Leafs eating significant salary for the next 5 years?

And they were right.

Greening - 0.92M remaining this year, 3.2M remaining next year.

Cowen - 1.23M remaining this year, 4.5M remaining next year.

Michalek - 1.33M remaining this year, 4M remaining next year.

That's over 15M the Leafs have committed on players that the Senators had made healthy scratches or sent to the AHL this year, ~10M if they buy them out. Maybe they bounce back, maybe the Leafs just buy a couple of them out this summer but to the Senators that was a significant amount of salary ate by the Leafs. Like the Horton-Clarkson trade, it made sense for the Leafs as a non-budget team but we're still talking about $10,000,000.00-$15,000,000.00. That's $20,000,000.00 CAD right now.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Are you telling us you didn't claim that Phaneuf was a top pairing defenseman?

And if so, how do you justify trading him for garbage?

Not answering my question I see...

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

And they were right.

Greening - 0.92M remaining this year, 3.2M remaining next year.

Cowen - 1.23M remaining this year, 4.5M remaining next year.

Michalek - 1.33M remaining this year, 4M remaining next year.

That's over 15M the Leafs have committed on players that the Senators had made healthy scratches or sent to the AHL this year, ~10M if they buy them out. Maybe they bounce back, maybe the Leafs just buy a couple of them out this summer but to the Senators that was a significant amount of salary ate by the Leafs. Like the Horton-Clarkson trade, it made sense for the Leafs as a non-budget team but we're still talking about $10,000,000.00-$15,000,000.00. That's $20,000,000.00 CAD right now.

All those salaries are done after next season.So much better than eating salary for 8 years.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

All those salaries are done after next season.So much better than eating salary for 8 years.

While true, it still defeats your claim that the Leafs didn't have to take on salary. They still did, but they were able to condense it into $15 million in one year instead of $3 million a year over five. Better for Toronto in the long term, but still undermines your point.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

So are people on here telling me they expected: A-Dion could be traded at all or B-he would ever be traded without the Leafs eating significant salary for the next 5 years?

I think many thought it would be possible for the Leafs to move him for a paltry sum if they either took bad contracts back and/or retained salary... and that's what happened.

Dion is so overpaid that Brayden Coburn, as a rental, returned more in a trade. Even though $7m is perfectly in line for a top pairing defenseman. Think about that for a second.