08-25-2015, 02:01 PM
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#261
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Houston, TX
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
The theory is that expanding into new markets will ultimately increase league revenues. Player salaries though are definitively not a component of HRR so I'm not sure what you are saying.
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Player salaries COME OUT OF HRR. More revenue, but more teams to divide it up between as well.
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08-25-2015, 02:02 PM
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#262
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Franchise Player
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A little long, but good price. Love how people were saying no way he'd sign for under 7-7.5 (on hf).
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08-25-2015, 02:03 PM
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#263
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Franchise Player
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I wonder why the site is slow...
Nice work BT!
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08-25-2015, 02:05 PM
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#264
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Any info on NMC / NTC?
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08-25-2015, 02:06 PM
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#265
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Franchise Player
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great deal...
term and $ seems to be a tad higher than most here want, but probably the exact opposite in the Gio camp who think is a little short in term and $...
generally a good sign that there has been some compromise by both sides...
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08-25-2015, 02:06 PM
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#266
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Houston, TX
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Originally Posted by Finger Cookin
Already discussed, the consideration is whether HRR goes up by more than the average club HRR when the league expands from 30 to 32. This wasn't about the expansion fee.
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Yeah, I got beaten to the punch.
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08-25-2015, 02:06 PM
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#267
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Any info on NMC / NTC?
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Full NMC in years 1-4 of the deal, limited NTC (10 team no-trade list) for years 5-6.
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08-25-2015, 02:07 PM
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#268
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Any info on NMC / NTC?
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4 years full NTC, 2 years modified NTC.
EDIT: Actually, apparently the first 4 years is a full NMC. Last 2 years has a NTC where Giordano submits 10 teams he will not accept a trade to.
https://twitter.com/renlavoietva/sta...70879589146625
Last edited by Finger Cookin; 08-25-2015 at 02:19 PM.
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08-25-2015, 02:15 PM
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#269
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First Line Centre
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With this extension, Gio will likely be a lock for second all time in games played for the Flames, and second for longest captain, behind Iggy.
Not bad for an undrafted player.
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08-25-2015, 02:18 PM
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#270
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cole436
With this extension, Gio will likely be a lock for second all time in games played for the Flames, and second for longest captain, behind Iggy.
Not bad for an undrafted player.
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Drafting players is for chumps.
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08-25-2015, 02:23 PM
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#271
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TX_Flame
Player salaries COME OUT OF HRR. More revenue, but more teams to divide it up between as well.
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HRR by definition, are not net of salaries, which I thought is what you were saying. My mistake.
Your conclusion though that it is a zero sum game is not accurate. Even without including expansion fees, the expansion to new markets should increase revenue at a faster rate than the dilutive effect of adding two new teams. For example, I think the Canadian TV contract allows for an escalator when a new Canadian market joins. As others have stated, it is tricky to estimate depending on the average contribution of existing teams vs. new teams but I suspect the new teams will be accretive. That is one of the reasons the league wanted to see the results of the season ticket drive in LV. They don't add to add a team that will be a drag on league results (although ponying up $500M would make that easier to swallow).
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08-25-2015, 02:33 PM
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#272
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Franchise Player
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At just north of 17M, the big 3 for the Flames aren't even all that top heavy when compared to the rest of the league. Taking a quick look around the league at teams that have committed 3 years or more to three defensemen and it's pretty standard to have 15M+ spent on the top 3 defensemen.
Detroit has 15M committed to Green, Ericsson and Kronwall.
Washington has 15M committed to Niskanen, Orpiks and Carlson.
Rangers have 16M committed to Staal, Girardi and McDonagh.
Minnesota has 15.7M committed to Suter, Brodin and Scandella.
Los Angeles has 15M committed to Doughty, Muzzin and Martinez (Voynov being in limbo).
Tampa has 14.5M committed to Stralman, Garrison and Carle (with Hedman to sign).
A team like St. Louis already has 12M committed to Pietrangelo and Bouwmeester, so if they want to re-sign Shattenkirk 2 years from now they will easily become more expensive then the Flames trio.
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08-25-2015, 02:36 PM
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#273
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Edmonton has $13.9M locked up in Sekera, Nikitin and Schultz.
Wow...
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08-25-2015, 02:41 PM
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#274
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
Edmonton has $13.9M locked up in Sekera, Nikitin and Schultz.
Wow...
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Till next summer..
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08-25-2015, 02:46 PM
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#275
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Maple Bay, B.C.
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Originally Posted by Weitz
Till next summer..
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Pretty common theme in Edmonton - Next summer, next year etc.
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08-25-2015, 02:46 PM
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#276
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Weitz
Till next summer..
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..when Griffin Reinhart's mandatory 6x6 kicks in.
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08-25-2015, 02:47 PM
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#277
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12
A little long, but good price. Love how people were saying no way he'd sign for under 7-7.5 (on hf).
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I don't think that is even really an outlandish statement or anything. If we did an over or under for 7 million a month ago it would have be an interesting poll.
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08-25-2015, 02:48 PM
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#278
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Weitz
Till next summer..
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Yup. Keep burning those ELC years. Its been paying off so far.
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08-25-2015, 02:48 PM
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#279
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ClubFlames
..when Griffin Reinhart's mandatory 6x6 kicks in.
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Griffin Reinhart would have to make the NHL for that to happen.
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08-25-2015, 02:48 PM
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#280
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
At just north of 17M, the big 3 for the Flames aren't even all that top heavy when compared to the rest of the league. Taking a quick look around the league at teams that have committed 3 years or more to three defensemen and it's pretty standard to have 15M+ spent on the top 3 defensemen.
Detroit has 15M committed to Green, Ericsson and Kronwall.
Washington has 15M committed to Niskanen, Orpiks and Carlson.
Rangers have 16M committed to Staal, Girardi and McDonagh.
Minnesota has 15.7M committed to Suter, Brodin and Scandella.
Los Angeles has 15M committed to Doughty, Muzzin and Martinez (Voynov being in limbo).
Tampa has 14.5M committed to Stralman, Garrison and Carle (with Hedman to sign).
A team like St. Louis already has 12M committed to Pietrangelo and Bouwmeester, so if they want to re-sign Shattenkirk 2 years from now they will easily become more expensive then the Flames trio.
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Great post and very useful information. I like where the Flames sit with this group, but ultimately will depend on Hamilton and Brodie's continued progression and Gio's ongoing health. Seems like a reasonable bet to make. There is upside there - enough upside for a championship team IMO.
Now BT is going to have to start shedding $'s from the bottom pairings.
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