08-25-2015, 01:11 PM
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#241
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Originally Posted by Parallex
I think when determining the quality of a contract one shouldn't put it in comparison to bad contracts... that just makes it "not bad" as opposed to demonstrating any fantastic-ness.
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When an elite defenceman makes less than a pylon like Phaneuf, that's a good contract even if Phaneuf's deal is bad.
If they were similar players I'd agree.
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08-25-2015, 01:12 PM
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#242
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Franchise Player
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Hard not to be happy with this. Shorter term than I thought it might have to be (which is a good thing) and less AAV than I expected, especially given the shorter term (although it's still a boat load of cash).
That contract will likely be painful in the last 2 seasons, but likely well worth it and un-avoidable to get the first 3 to 4 years of it, which we simply had to do. Good work by the Flames brass again.
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08-25-2015, 01:17 PM
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#243
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Powerplay Quarterback
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2 or even 3 years too long... but I imagine there was no budging on the term.
Luckily the Phaneuf comparison will help me get over any cap stress quickly...
At the end of the day he's an irreplaceable piece here for the next few years anyways.
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08-25-2015, 01:18 PM
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#244
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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From the Gio's initial "ask" thread and my reaction:
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Originally Posted by dammage79
I don't like the opening salvo of 9m a year. Term isn't being made mention of yet.
I was hoping for a good retirement contract around 6y x 6.5m or 7m and it may pan out that way in the end too but I'd be worried if the years or dollars went any higher.
Heck, 6 years is stretching it a bit too far for my liking. Would love for it to be around 4 years. If you have to bump up to 8m a year to keep the term low, sure.
I just hope this doesn't turn sour.
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08-25-2015, 01:27 PM
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#245
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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In years past, whenever there was news of this kind, inevitably there was something bad attached to it: We traded Regehr. But gave up a 2nd rounder to do it.
I keep waiting for the bad news when we get word of something Treliving has done. Still hasn't happened.
Treliving is the gift that keeps giving.
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08-25-2015, 01:35 PM
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#246
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by codynw
When an elite defenceman makes less than a pylon like Phaneuf, that's a good contract even if Phaneuf's deal is bad.
If they were similar players I'd agree.
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Just repeat this to yourself:
Mark Giordano has a lower cap hit than Dion Phaneuf.
It never fails to make me smile, so yeah, I think Treliving hit this one out of the park and I have greatly renewed respect for Mark Giordano.
Win/Win/Win/Win.
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08-25-2015, 01:35 PM
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#247
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Calgary
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Sets a great example for the RFAs after this season in my opinion. This is a very good contract
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08-25-2015, 01:37 PM
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#248
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
From the Gio's initial "ask" thread and my reaction:
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Oh man! If I were you I'd definitely be texting all my friends right now that I guessed the contract right and I'd be sniffing my farts for the rest of the day!
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08-25-2015, 01:37 PM
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#249
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Houston, TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
If you look at expansion money coming, HRR should be increasing - although that's just an assumption on my end.
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Expansion money is not HRR.
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08-25-2015, 01:38 PM
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#250
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Maple Bay, B.C.
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On the same day Gio signs a 6 year extension with the Flames, the Canucks sign Adam Cracknell to a 1 year contract. Good times.
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08-25-2015, 01:40 PM
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#251
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TX_Flame
Expansion money is not HRR.
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Already discussed, the consideration is whether HRR goes up by more than the average club HRR when the league expands from 30 to 32. This wasn't about the expansion fee.
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08-25-2015, 01:44 PM
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#252
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Finger Cookin
Already discussed, the consideration is whether HRR goes up by more than the average club HRR when the league expands from 30 to 32. This wasn't about the expansion fee.
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Since one of those teams is likely to be a Canadian in Quebec, it is a pretty safe assumption that they will be much higher then the average.
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08-25-2015, 01:46 PM
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#253
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Franchise Player
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Probably, but it's tough to tell. The existing Canadian markets outside of Toronto and Montreal average the same as the league wide average. I imagine Quebec would still do really well for local TV coverage though.
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08-25-2015, 01:48 PM
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#254
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Houston, TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
But money generated by having two additional teams is.
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Those 2 extra teams also have players to pay so that's a zero sum gain.
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08-25-2015, 01:48 PM
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#255
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Finger Cookin
Already discussed, the consideration is whether HRR goes up by more than the average club HRR when the league expands from 30 to 32. This wasn't about the expansion fee.
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Is there any reason to believe that Quebec wouldn't be above average? At least on par with Winnipeg you gotta think. Not sure of their capacity.
Vegas at least in the short term will probably do alright. Maybe a bit of a novelty at first.
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08-25-2015, 01:48 PM
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#256
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbob
Since one of those teams is likely to be a Canadian in Quebec, it is a pretty safe assumption that they will be much higher then the average.
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Not likely when you consider a 75 cent dollar
And neither team is likely to lead to significant new TV money
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08-25-2015, 01:56 PM
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#257
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Franchise Player
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The centre point of the cap range is about $60M. There are 30 teams. So that puts HRR at about $60M x 30 x 2 = $3.6B.
And the average revenue per team at $120M
In order to raise the cap by $1M all by themselves (and assuming LV is average), Quebec would have to generate $184M US ($245M CAD) in revenues.
It is probably a safe assumption that won't happen.
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08-25-2015, 01:56 PM
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#258
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TX_Flame
Those 2 extra teams also have players to pay so that's a zero sum gain.
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The theory is that expanding into new markets will ultimately increase league revenues. Player salaries though are definitively not a component of HRR so I'm not sure what you are saying.
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08-25-2015, 01:57 PM
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#259
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Vancouver, B.C.
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A little bit longer than i would have liked but overall its a fair deal for both sides. I imagine it's probably front loaded to. I'm just glad to have our Captain signed.
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08-25-2015, 01:59 PM
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#260
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by YYC in LAX
Oh man! If I were you I'd definitely be texting all my friends right now that I guessed the contract right and I'd be sniffing my farts for the rest of the day!
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Hey man, even the sun shines on a dog's behind sometimes.
Sidenote, doesn't everyone sniff their own farts every day? I mean everyone loves the smell of their own brand.
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