[Rumour] Giordano Extension. Kypreos: Starting point is $72 million over 8 years

[pylon]

I'm not saying they are instant Cup contenders, but in 2-3 years, once Bennett, Monhan, and Johnny really start to mature, they very well may be.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Agreed. Winter doesn't have nearly as much leverage as he had before the deal. The Flames absolutely needed to keep Gio in the fold. Now they just really want to keep him.

Nah, I don't see that.

They had Gio sitting with King, Burke, and Hartley at the awards. He was one of the first calls to Hamilton.

The chance of the Flames hardballing him are zero. I also think the liklihood he will do the same to them will also be zero.

[Stay Golden]

The trade for Hamilton better not mean the Departure of Gio at the Trade deadline.
Step up and pay Gio what he has earned and will continue to mean to the Flames.

Gio Brodie
Hamilton Wideman
Russell Engelland

Wow just wow what a top 6 hey.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

The trade for Hamilton better not mean the Departure of Gio at the Trade deadline.
Step up and pay Gio what he has earned and will continue to mean to the Flames.

Gio Brodie
Hamilton Wideman
Russell Engelland

Wow just wow what a top 6 hey.

That's how I see our top six as well.

I think over time we'll see one of the older guys moved along for a younger guy to get his feet wet and develop.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Last year was his prime. So technically he is not in it anymore. I'd say he is coming off his prime. In two years he will be past his prime.

He is currently signed for the balance of his prime. So why extend?

So, how does that work? Are you saying that last season was the best that can be expected from Giordano because he is now 32-years-old? Maybe. But not every player is the same. Giordano might have an even better year this season, or, he might not. Two years from now, he might have the best season of his career, or, he might not. These questions with regard to an individual player's "prime" are never nearly as cut-and-dried as your claim makes it out to be.

Oh, and the team should extend Giordano because even at 33-years-old he is still the best player on the team by a considerable margin.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

And then they won a cup

Well in fairness they won a Cup, then gave Zdeno the thank you retirement contract and now look to be in full rebuild mode.

If the Flames cannot make a rational decision on Gio I will be very disappointed. If they are giving him a retirement contract it has to be 6 million a year. Chara does not even make 7 a year

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well in fairness they won a Cup, then gave Zdeno the thank you retirement contract and now look to be in full rebuild mode.

If the Flames cannot make a rational decision on Gio I will be very disappointed. If they are giving him a retirement contract it has to be 6 million a year. Chara does not even make 7 a year

I agree, but it's not like they have the choice to give Gio $9M or $6M. Giordano has the choice to get his asking price elsewhere too. You sometimes have to overpay to keep arguably your most important player.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Cap then vs now has to factor too.. People forget that.

Gio 5-6 years under 8 and I'm on board


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[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I agree, but it's not like they have the choice to give Gio $9M or $6M. Giordano has the choice to get his asking price elsewhere too. You sometimes have to overpay to keep arguably your most important player.

Yes and I guess my point is that the Flames (including playoffs) went 5 games over. 500 over the equivalent of just over a 3rd of a season. They can win without Gio.

The Flames have to truly evaluate what they are trying to build and when they are trying to build it by. I think they are still 2 years away from being truly super elite. I think you start the season with Gio, try to convince him to be part of something special over the next 7 seasons at something like 5.5 and if he says no you trade him.

Being sentimental about such a thing is the worst thing Treliving can do. Even if the cap goes up by 3-4 percent a year paying Gio 8-10 percent of cap value (assuming something north of 7 a year) would be crippling in the backend of a contract.

[Gaudreau]

My wishlist:

-Big RW with speed and grit
-Young 1A/B Goalie
-One more serviceable big checking D-man
-Faceoff specialist
-Overall just get bigger depth players

I know I have the tired emphasis on size, but I think we have the skill and the core group we need now. We just need to supply this core with solid goaltending, size, and grit. We need the Yelle type specialist players now to bring in the faceoff, penalty-killing elements. Obviously we have the biggest shot blocker in the league, we have players like Bouma, but we still need to address the faceoffs, part of it will come as Monahan and Bennett mature, but hopefully a guy like Jankowski is just an absolute stud on faceoffs and on the defensive side of his game.

Overall, things are looking up, and we're truly building a great TEAM. None of us should be jealous of the oilers getting McDavid today because they've still yet to show any indication of building a TEAM.

[flylock shox]

The Hamilton trade really puts the Flames in a far better position in negotiations with Giordano.

If I were Treliving, I'd be keen to see how things unfold through the first third of the season before inking any deal with Gio. That would give the Flames a chance to see how Gio has recovered from his injury, and how he would likely fit in to the defence going forward given the emergence of Brodie and the addition of Hamilton. The alternative - signing Gio to big money when (a) he may not perform at the same level as last year due to injury and (b) he may be the 3rd most valuable defenceman on the team as soon as this year - seems rather a less good idea.

Hopefully they just find a reasonable number and term with a front-loaded contract - something that keeps him affordable or at least movable in a few years.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Nah, I don't see that.

They had Gio sitting with King, Burke, and Hartley at the awards. He was one of the first calls to Hamilton.

The Flames aren't negotiating with Gio. They're negotiating with his agent, who is one of the most hard-nosed in the business.

[sureLoss]

Roger Millions was on Hockey Central at noon today:
http://pmd.fan960.com/radio/fan960/p...630-172429.mp3

starting around the 10:00 min mark Steinberg asked Millions what he is hearing on the Gio front and Millions says he is not hearing good things which Steinberg replies there does seem to be a chasm between the two parties.

[Da_Chief]

I wonder how much of it is the agent pushing for a huge contract? Gio seems like a team first guy, he's going to get paid be it 7 or 9 per year. Hopefully it doesn't become a distraction.

[Caged Great]

That's not good. I don't blame Gio for asking for the moon, but if he's asking for 9 aav, that's not a good fit with the long term structure of the team.

[dammage79]

Lots of time but that is concerning that the two sides are that far apart early on.

[Mith]

On the flip side as much as I hate to suggest we lose Giordano, if things came down to it and he didn't fit our cap structure we could flip him for a HUGE return. Dude is a diamond in this league and with Hamilton/Brodie on our back end we could deal with the loss of a Giordano in the future.

That said, I think you pay the guy (Hopefully 8MM or less?) and then when Gaudreau et al. are up for a pay raise you look at trading him then not now.

[Dr. Doom]

This probably won't end well...

I mean you can't blame the guy for wanting to cash in for a job well done and going into the latter stages of his career...

But here's the thing - if he wants that kind of money - he's going to have to play like a man on fire for the season and leading up to the deadline. Any hitches and he can forget his freakin' 9 mil. So good luck playing that good with all of the contract nonsense in the background.

Even if he does live up to 9 mil nobody is bigger than the team (just ask the Hawks) and business is business, he'll be gone for a big return.

Overall disappointed by what I'm hearing, he's not a 9 million dollar guy.

[Fire]

It might be in Giordano's best interest to sign a lower long-term contract now instead of hoping for a big deal as a UFA. His last two seasons have been great when he was healthy, but before that he has only been ok to good depending on the season. If he has an off year or has another long-term injury I can't see anyone paying him close to $9 million long-term.

[JiriHrdina]

Still early days and both sides probably taking typical positions well outside of what they will settle for.
But Gio is a guy that went to Russia rather than accept a deal he thought was beneath him. So he is a guy, I think, who won't take less than what he thinks is fair.

Personally, I'm not too worried.