[Rumour] Giordano Extension. Kypreos: Starting point is $72 million over 8 years

[nik-]

With the state this team is in, there is no one over 30 that's "untouchable" regardless of their current value to the team. Especially when their salary demands potentially hinder the signing of the young core and the ability to surround them with quality over the next few years.

Long term. The view is long term.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

I am not understanding the Gio trade talk. Of all the veteran leaders on the team he is the most untouchable.

Yes the Flames are still rebuilding in that they will not not trade rookies or draft picks for veterans and they will try to unload expiring contracts for picks, however the stage of the rebuild where you gut the team of top players has already occurred. Unless you are the Oilers it should not need to happen again.

Gio is a core member of the team who is clearly happy to take a home town discount to stay. Just get him locked up as soon as possible. Sure a shorter term deal would be safer but if it takes a longer term offer to get it done I am all for it.

Some people are fixated on trading players when they are in their prime, for future assets. In some cases I can see the logic....in this case, I agree with you that the notion is absolutely ludicrous.

[mile]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Wait are you talking about IGGY!?!?!?!?!?!?!

He was and is still a monster offensively but he was never great in his own end (partly because he wasn't back there)

In 05-06? Yeah I'd say so. When Darryl was coaching Iginla played a complete game. Never Selke great but I remember in a playoff preview before the Anaheim series that year people were calling him one of the best two-way forwards in the league. People were complaining about the lack of production from him back then but in today's game no one would complain about that same 60 point Iginla who played the complete 200 foot game.

[Huntingwhale]

I don't know if I'd call Iggy a 2-way guy. But I clearly remember Don Cherry and many other analysts saying he was the most complete player in the league (as in all the tools) from '02-'09.

[CliffFletcher]

One of the biggest reasons the Bruins are in cap hell even though they're not a contender is because in the upcoming season they'll have a 38 year old defenceman with a $7 mil cap hit. Just sayin.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

There's no guarantee Gio will get a 6 or 7 or 8 year deal.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

One of the biggest reasons the Bruins are in cap hell even though they're not a contender is because in the upcoming season they'll have a 38 year old defenceman with a $7 mil cap hit. Just sayin.

Who's a shadow of his 33 year old self.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by heep223

Some people are fixated on trading players when they are in their prime, for future assets. In some cases I can see the logic....in this case, I agree with you that the notion is absolutely ludicrous.

Last year was his prime. So technically he is not in it anymore. I'd say he is coming off his prime. In two years he will be past his prime.

He is currently signed for the balance of his prime. So why extend?

[VladtheImpaler]

So, now what? If Hamilton signs a long, big deal, as expected, is there any room left for a big Giordano deal? Do we move Wideman to pay Giordano? Do we move Giordano? Does he sign a short deal?

[pylon]

With this Hamilton deal, what we have up front the next three seasons, and the emergence of Brodie/Russell, it looks like the Flames just became a very serious contender. I think they still throw a pile of money at Gio, and deal with the consequences later. This Hamilton trade just made the Flames a serious contender if we retain Gio, and they might as well chase it while they have the young 3 superstars up front on the cheap.

What better combo could you ask for. A young, skill based, talented, hungry forward core, with a veteran, ultra reliable, puck moving blue-line. There will be no cinderella story next year. This trade totally changes the perception of what the Flames are now, and there will be much higher expectations.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by pylon

With this Hamilton deal, what we have up front the next three seasons, and the emergence of Brodie/Russell, it looks like the Flames just became a very serious contender. I think they still throw a pile of money at Gio, and deal with the consequences later. This Hamilton trade just made the Flames a serious contender if we retain Gio, and they might as well chase it while they have the young 3 superstars up front on the cheap.

What better combo could you ask for. A young, skill based, talented, hungry forward core, with a veteran, ultra reliable, puck moving blue-line. There will be no cinderella story next year. This trade totally changes the perception of what the Flames are now, and there will be much higher expectations.

This just makes me shake my head.

Calgary are the beneficiaries because another team did exactly what you're describing and are now dealing with the consequences.

I mean, honestly, the parallels couldn't be more striking.

Zdeno Chara was 33 when Hamilton was 18. Chara signed a big money deal for term.

Mark Giordano will be 33 when his extension kicks in. Sam Bennett will be 19.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

This just makes me shake my head.

Calgary are the beneficiaries because another team did exactly what you're describing and are now dealing with the consequences.

I mean, honestly, the parallels couldn't be more striking.

Zdeno Chara was 33 when Hamilton was 18. Chara signed a big money deal for term.

Mark Giordano will be 33 when his extension kicks in. Sam Bennett will be 19.

And then they won a cup

[Brewmaster]

A Giordano extension won't kick in until 2016 anyway, so there is no need to be concerned about fitting everyone under the cap this season. I agree with Pylon that with the addition of Hamilton the Flames might transition into contenders quicker than anyone could have imagined.

At the 2016 trade deadline and draft there will be some questions on how to manage the cap since all of the following will be happening:

-Giordano getting a significant raise (assuming he re-signs this summer)
-Monahan & Gaudreau will be RFAs
-Hudler will be UFA
-Jones will be UFA
-Russell will be UFA

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by pylon

With this Hamilton deal, what we have up front the next three seasons, and the emergence of Brodie/Russell, it looks like the Flames just became a very serious contender. I think they still throw a pile of money at Gio, and deal with the consequences later. This Hamilton trade just made the Flames a serious contender if we retain Gio, and they might as well chase it while they have the young 3 superstars up front on the cheap.

What better combo could you ask for. A young, skill based, talented, hungry forward core, with a veteran, ultra reliable, puck moving blue-line. There will be no cinderella story next year. This trade totally changes the perception of what the Flames are now, and there will be much higher expectations.

I couldn't agree more. The Flames landed a potential franchise defenceman who is 22 for straight picks. Picks that are vaulable but not a sure thing as we were a playoff team. I was all for wait and see what happens approach but now I think the Flames can contend for a cup right away. Our biggest weaknesses last year were 2nd line scoring and 5/6 dmen. We now have an elite defence core and didn't have to give up our potential 2nd line scoring in Bennett/Porier/Colborne/Klimchuk

I also think we can get Giordano below a 9 cap hit for sure. Even 9 million for 3 years add 4 years scaling the contract down each year and see if we can get him wrapped up for less than 8 would be great

I also think we should consider bridge contracts for Gaudreau, Monahan and Bennett is the same league as Stone/Johnasen. If we can do that we have more than enough space to keep Giordano

We also have decent prospects dmen that if Russell can't be kept we should be able to replace him through the system

No reason we aren't contenders over the next 4-6 years

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by pylon

With this Hamilton deal, what we have up front the next three seasons, and the emergence of Brodie/Russell, it looks like the Flames just became a very serious contender. I think they still throw a pile of money at Gio, and deal with the consequences later. This Hamilton trade just made the Flames a serious contender if we retain Gio, and they might as well chase it while they have the young 3 superstars up front on the cheap.

What better combo could you ask for. A young, skill based, talented, hungry forward core, with a veteran, ultra reliable, puck moving blue-line. There will be no cinderella story next year. This trade totally changes the perception of what the Flames are now, and there will be much higher expectations.

I don't believe that at all. The goaltending situation is not ready to contend for a Cup nor is the forward situation as this was a one line team for a lot of the season and Bennett won't change that overnight. I think this puts a limit what they can realistically give Giordano especially if he's looking for a long term deal as this team is going to be close to a cap team sooner than expected because of the deal Hamilton is going to command.

[DoubleF]

I personally think the Hamilton deal can be used to pressure Gio to lower his price considerably.

I also wonder if Hamilton's deal will be some sort of baseline used when JG and Mony go up for contract talks too.

I am so giddy! I can't think straight!

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

This just makes me shake my head.

Calgary are the beneficiaries because another team did exactly what you're describing and are now dealing with the consequences.

I mean, honestly, the parallels couldn't be more striking.

Zdeno Chara was 33 when Hamilton was 18. Chara signed a big money deal for term.

Mark Giordano will be 33 when his extension kicks in. Sam Bennett will be 19.

If it lead to a Stanley Cup, I am sure the fan base wouldn't care one bit if we had to start all over 6-7 years from now. Nobody cheers to make the semi's every year. If going for it now, means a few lean years later, who gives a poop?

[VladtheImpaler]

Pylon, too much euphoria I think. Have some broccoli. A lot of career years last year unlikely to be repeated. The forwards are still not up to par. This accelerates the plan, but it's not instant contender status.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by pylon

If it lead to a Stanley Cup, I am sure the fan base wouldn't care one bit if we had to start all over 6-7 years from now. Nobody cheers to make the semi's every year. If going for it now, means a few lean years later, who gives a poop?

You need to settle down. Hamilton is a huge add moving forward but this team still isn't even a lock to make the playoffs and your talking about the Stanley Cup. Go for it now and worry about it later is exactly what this team should not be doing right now. We've done it right up until this point and it's working. Let's not screw that up.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

I personally think the Hamilton deal can be used to pressure Gio to lower his price considerably.

Agreed. Winter doesn't have nearly as much leverage as he had before the deal. The Flames absolutely needed to keep Gio in the fold. Now they just really want to keep him.