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Old 09-24-2014, 03:17 PM   #261
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Mulclair is entitled to ask those questions and they should be answered in clear plain language.


That being said, I have no issue with Harper's stance on Israel. I don't see how that is relevant to the question Mulclair asked, but I support Harper's position on Israel.
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Old 09-24-2014, 03:38 PM   #262
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Scheer is the problem here. He brings shame to the House. Tory idiots will be Tory idiots; it's the Speaker's imperative to do something about it.
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Old 09-24-2014, 03:41 PM   #263
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"Tell me about Iraq."
"I can't believe this guy hates Israel."
"Well... okay... but tell me about Iraq."
"No seriously, this guy hates Israel."
"Uh.... Iraq?"
"WE SUPPORT ISRAEL!"
"...."
"IIIIIISRAAAAEEEEEEEL!"
Yeah, that was a bit like 'if you don't like our omnibus/internet bill, than you must be for the pedophiles'.

I get that all parties will try to artfully dodge the questions and hit their sound bites, but there's gotta be a line somewhere. The speaker allowing the worst of it has to be taken to task.

To be fair it isn't always the Torys. But we've seen most of it, and the worst of it from them over the last few years. Of course, most of that is probably because they are the ruling party.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/09...n_5881998.html

That reaction is pretty much perfect.
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Old 09-26-2014, 07:18 AM   #266
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I wonder if he is related to her

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Credit where it's due, he's apologized.

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I missed it when it came out a couple days ago, but the most recent Angus Reid poll had the Liberals up 36 to 30. While this is one of the closer polls in the last couple months, it's significant because the last AR poll back in June had the Conservatives up 31 to 30, and they traditionally poll more conservative. So now, every pollster that publishes regularly has a significant lead for the Liberals. (Angus Reid: 6 point Liberal lead; Ipsos Reid: 7; EKOS: 13; Abacus: 8; Forum: 9). The EKOS looks like an of an outlier, but still, it's the most unanimous the polls have been since 2011, I think.
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I missed it when it came out a couple days ago, but the most recent Angus Reid poll had the Liberals up 36 to 30. While this is one of the closer polls in the last couple months, it's significant because the last AR poll back in June had the Conservatives up 31 to 30, and they traditionally poll more conservative. So now, every pollster that publishes regularly has a significant lead for the Liberals. (Angus Reid: 6 point Liberal lead; Ipsos Reid: 7; EKOS: 13; Abacus: 8; Forum: 9). The EKOS looks like an of an outlier, but still, it's the most unanimous the polls have been since 2011, I think.
Polling aggregator ThreeHundredEight has the Lib-CPC-NDP national vote share at 38-29-23 as of yesterday. The Conservatives have a substantial lead in Alberta, but they're either in a dog fight (BC, Prairies) or trailing badly (Ontario, Quebec, Atlantic) in every other region. That's definitely not good news if you're a Harper supporter, but of course much can change between now and election day.

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Polling aggregator ThreeHundredEight has the Lib-CPC-NDP national vote share at 38-29-23 as of yesterday. The Conservatives have a substantial lead in Alberta, but they're either in a dog fight (BC, Prairies) or trailing badly (Ontario, Quebec, Atlantic) in every other region. That's definitely not good news if you're a Harper supporter, but of course much can change between now and election day.

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Nice to see the Bloc at only 16% in Quebec. For context, they are basically as popular as the NDP and Greens (combined) are in Alberta.
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I suspect that Liberal support will slide to the NDP over the next few months as Mulclair will be seen as having substance while Trudeau will continue to be a flake.

Trudeau's stance on the mission in Iraq for example, against air strikes, while Mulclair is debating it but insisting on humanitarian aide. Mulclair will win the court of public opinion on that. Trudeau will be questioned, even by his own party members on his position. The question Trudeau doesn't have an answer to is: If not crucifying people on the basis of their personal characteristics and abusing women and girls as young as 11, what would it take to get you on side with 6 airplanes?
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Trudeau's comment about whipping out our CF-18s and show how big they are was fairly asinine as well. Dude really needs to just say what his handlers tell him to rather than ad lib.
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Nice to see the Bloc at only 16% in Quebec. For context, they are basically as popular as the NDP and Greens (combined) are in Alberta.
From a Conservative Party perspective, the Bloc being so low is not a good thing. A weak Bloc will dramatically increase the odds of a majority, and given current polls, a Liberal one. While a strong Bloc increases the odds of a minority government, it would also increase the odds of a Conservative minority.
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Regardless of who wins, I think we are looking at a minority government.
I'm voting Green Party.
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From a Conservative Party perspective, the Bloc being so low is not a good thing. A weak Bloc will dramatically increase the odds of a majority, and given current polls, a Liberal one. While a strong Bloc increases the odds of a minority government, it would also increase the odds of a Conservative minority.
Good topic for analysis. Right now the numbers are a lot like the Paul Martin election across the board -- pretty much every party in every region is within a few points of their 2004 numbers. With the exception of the collapse of the Bloc and rise of NDP in Quebec. And the Libs finished that election with 135, 20 short of a majority government. Let's say that the rest of Canada plays out like 2004, the Liberals need to get somewhere in the neighbourhood of 42 of 75 seats in Quebec to form a majority. Conservative support hasn't really deteriorated, so they probably hang on to, let's say, 4 of the 5 seats they currently have. And let's say that the Liberals take all 4 of the current Bloc seats, and hold onto all 7 of their own. They still need to pick up 30 seats from the NDP, to reach their 42 threshold.

The problem with trying to project their path to victory there is that the NDP base was extremely broad: they pulled in both anti-establishment, traditionally bloc voters, and they pull in the a lot of progressive Montreal voters. Obviously their support has collapsed a lot, going from 43% to 30%, and knowing where they've lost support would be key to understanding what the Liberals chances here. If the NDP lost a lot of support from a certain demographic across, say, 20 or so ridings, but have kept their hold in the remaining 39 ridings, then a Liberal majority is probably impossible without big gains elsewhere outside Quebec. On the other hand, if the NDP is losing support across the board, then there's a chance for the Liberals to turn a moderate lead in popular vote into a huge leap in seats. In 2004, 34% of the vote in Quebec gave them only 21 seats, but there's a chance that 34% of the vote can give them closer to 40 seats, depending on where the NDP support is eroding.

There has never been an election with anything remotely like the current balance in seats in Quebec, so trying to predict it based on past precedent is nearly impossible. But as always, Quebec continues to be the most interesting province in Canadian politics.

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I suspect that Liberal support will slide to the NDP over the next few months as Mulclair will be seen as having substance while Trudeau will continue to be a flake.

Trudeau's stance on the mission in Iraq for example, against air strikes, while Mulclair is debating it but insisting on humanitarian aide. Mulclair will win the court of public opinion on that. Trudeau will be questioned, even by his own party members on his position. The question Trudeau doesn't have an answer to is: If not crucifying people on the basis of their personal characteristics and abusing women and girls as young as 11, what would it take to get you on side with 6 airplanes?
People keep saying that Trudeau's speaking blunders will eventually cause the Liberals to drop in the polls, but it hasn't happened for 16 months and he's put his foot in his mouth more than once. I hate to say it but I think conservatives are really under estimating the length of slack the general public has for Trudeau's blunders. If the conservatives keep waiting for Trudeau to shoot himself in the footer they'll be in sorry shape going into the election next year.
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I suspect that Liberal support will slide to the NDP over the next few months as Mulclair will be seen as having substance while Trudeau will continue to be a flake.

Trudeau's stance on the mission in Iraq for example, against air strikes, while Mulclair is debating it but insisting on humanitarian aide. Mulclair will win the court of public opinion on that. Trudeau will be questioned, even by his own party members on his position. The question Trudeau doesn't have an answer to is: If not crucifying people on the basis of their personal characteristics and abusing women and girls as young as 11, what would it take to get you on side with 6 airplanes?
The problem is that by bombing ISIL we're helping the hardline Shia militias that are as brutal and ruthless as ISIL, and then it becomes a non-stop wack-a-mole until we push the Sunnis, Kurds and #####e pass the point of no return.
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garbage

what we're doing is bombing the worst atrocities the earth has seen in 80 years.
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what we're doing is bombing the worst atrocities the earth has seen in 80 years.
That's simply not true at all. It's actually kind of sad how selective our outrage is.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/look-ar...city-1.2781883
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great article from Andrew Coyne

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...825/story.html


As for our selective outrage - i'm well aware of the violence in the Congo, probably more aware than most. ISIS is a new form of evil milanarianism that rivals Hitler in its ferocity and disdain for human life in search of its ultimate societal objectives.
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