I have no problem with the goon role... but since when was it ok for a goon to go after the other teams all star player in a pre-season game.
When Carlyle decided to line Kessel up against Scott even though it was pretty obvious why Scott was on the ice.
Scott's not a clown for doing what his role requires. He didn't just randomly seek out Kessel. He was going to drop them with whoever the Leafs lined up against him.
desperate times calls for desperate measures. Don't want to be pole axed like an oak tree, go after Orr.
Scott was lucky Kessel didn't aim for his head.
Overly dramatic much? Kessel didn't need to chop at Scott at all. If Kessel doesn't chop at Scott and just skates away how much damage do you really think Scott could do before another Leaf or the refs jumped in? Spoiler alert, the answer is no damage.
When Carlyle decided to line Kessel up against Scott even though it was pretty obvious why Scott was on the ice.
Scott's not a clown for doing what his role requires. He didn't just randomly seek out Kessel. He was going to drop them with whoever the Leafs lined up against him.
No he is. His role, as stupid as it is, comes with a certain 'code' that others of his ilk are proud to talk about and hold up as something that makes their existence somehow noble. Part of that code pertains to not going after guys like Kessel. Scott's a clown, and in this case a coward.
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When Carlyle decided to line Kessel up against Scott even though it was pretty obvious why Scott was on the ice.
Scott's not a clown for doing what his role requires. He didn't just randomly seek out Kessel. He was going to drop them with whoever the Leafs lined up against him.
Since when is the role of a goon to jump star players?
Regardless of what Scott wanted to do when he got on the ice he can't just jump a player like Kessel, that's not how it works, everyone knows that.
No he is. His role, as stupid as it is, comes with a certain 'code' that others of his ilk are proud to talk about and hold up as something that makes their existence somehow noble. Part of that code pertains to not going after guys like Kessel. Scott's a clown, and in this case a coward.
I would say Buffalo's HC is guilty of putting Scott out there and having him deliberately line up across from Kessel.
Your right Scott is a clown and a coward not just for this but he has acted like this his entire short career, he is known for running non fighters to get a reaction from the other team.
I'm glad that idiot is not in the West anymore.
Scott is one of the few "old-time" tough guys in the league. One of the guys that, in the right scenario is totally willing to go out on the ice and cause pure maham. Much like Chris Simon and Craig Berube had the same characteristic and would just fly off the handle from time to time...honestly, i kind of miss that kind of goonery, it seems to have been replaced with staged fights and the emergence of the super-pest (who generally seem far more dangerous).
Anyway, this seems like strange timing for Scott to go off the handle, I mean the previous fight was mutual between two fringe players. Kessel looked like he was in a row boat trying to escape, and i find that funny. End of the day, no one was hurt, it was very entertaining and its the kind of thing that sparks rivalries, which are great things to anticipate and watch.TSN/RSN are going to hype this for 2 years.
Lastly, really don't like how the Leaf are throwing Clarkson under the bus. Sure, it was dumb to come off the bench but he is sitting 10 feet away from a giant chasing the teams star player around the ice trying to kill him. Remember, Clarkson isn't far removed from the enforcer type role himself and is on a new team...If anything, i would have hoped the Leafs would rally around him and take the solidarity route, maybe they have internally.
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Overly dramatic much? Kessel didn't need to chop at Scott at all. If Kessel doesn't chop at Scott and just skates away how much damage do you really think Scott could do before another Leaf or the refs jumped in? Spoiler alert, the answer is no damage.
Also Orr wasn't even playing.
Which is yet another strange decision by Carlyle. As home coach you get the visitors lineup card before you fill yours out and submit it to the officials. So Carlyle sees Scott is on their roster, and doesnt dress either Orr nor McLaren?
Then when Scott hits the ice right after a Buffalo guy gets KO'd in a fight...he sends out Kessell to line up beside him.
Remarkable decisions to me when you consider that Carlyle is an old school guy and has been on the other side of such scenarios.
Overly dramatic much? Kessel didn't need to chop at Scott at all. If Kessel doesn't chop at Scott and just skates away how much damage do you really think Scott could do before another Leaf or the refs jumped in? Spoiler alert, the answer is no damage.
Also Orr wasn't even playing.
Scott grabs him and gives him 2 right crosses to the jaw. Broken jaw, or possible concussion. Kessel needed to do what he needed to do. Great on him to do that.
He may get 5 games NOW....and self defense is pretty hard to justify when the second swing was from behind and Scott engaged with another player...then the "spear" coming after all was said and done and Scott being held by the linesman.
Kessell is a complete pansie in this scenario....after the initial altercation anyhow, and someone who Buffalo wont forget every time they play this season. Gonna be fun to watch.
Kessell is such a little B#@$%. Someone needs to punch him in the face next game for the slashes and spear at the end. Chicken S#$% either tie scott up or turtle, don't take cheap shots when your team mates have him tied up.
Which is yet another strange decision by Carlyle. As home coach you get the visitors lineup card before you fill yours out and submit it to the officials. So Carlyle sees Scott is on their roster, and doesnt dress either Orr nor McLaren?
Then when Scott hits the ice right after a Buffalo guy gets KO'd in a fight...he sends out Kessell to line up beside him.
Remarkable decisions to me when you consider that Carlyle is an old school guy and has been on the other side of such scenarios.
Orr is hurt
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Scott grabs him and gives him 2 right crosses to the jaw. Broken jaw, or possible concussion. Kessel needed to do what he needed to do. Great on him to do that.
Right . Kessel was skating faster backwards that Scott was forwards. Scott didn't even get in 1 punch on Kessel, the hacks weren't needed.
Kessell is such a little B#@$%. Someone needs to punch him in the face next game for the slashes and spear at the end. Chicken S#$% either tie scott up or turtle, don't take cheap shots when your team mates have him tied up.
This likely would have happened had he done the "macho" thing and turtled (which in itself is far more chicken excrement than standing up, however "cheaply" you deem it)
1st Kessel slash no problem. 2nd slash was excessive because Scott was being dealt with by 2 other Leafs at that point. The spear afterwards was way out of line; a real dick move.
That said, Scott crossed the line in the first place and started this whole thing. Guy shouldn't even be in hockey, never mind the NHL.
1. Players who should be playing in the NHL are those who are skilled enough to play in the NHL. 2. The League, the players, and the coaches should be the ones making this determination.
Your argument doesn't hold water.
The league condones fighting, yes? The teams offer contracts to these players, yes? The coaches have the choice to put them on the roster, yes? The coach has the choice of when to send them out, yes? Is this not a systematic acceptance of these players being skilled enough to play in the NHL? There are some skills that certain players have that others do not. Throwing and taking a punch is a skill and one valued around the NHL. These guys are NHL players based on this specific skill alone. Truth be told, most of these guys would out play the vast majority of this board, and I recognize there are a couple of ex-players who frequent this board.
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Why not just crack down hard on unwanted intentional acts to injure?
You mean like Kessel swinging his stick in a totally reckless manner? This was a clear intent to injure, especially when Scott was engaged with several other Leafs.
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I call BS. The proof behind such a statement would require extensive study, and cannot be drawn anecdotally from casual observation. I know that this is the well-worn belief, but I suspect it is little more than a myth in reality. In short, I am highly sceptical that the presence of a goon on the ice has little impact at all on the behaviour and conduct of opposing team members. Remove them from the game, and I expect that the impact on the "game of chess" would be completely negligible.
You mean likes decades of play and success by teams who employ these types of players?
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I have been pretty clear in each of my posts: If he can't play hockey at an NHL level, then he has no business on the ice in a NHL game.
The NHL and its member teams clearly say that these guys are good enough to play in the NHL. These guys are specialists, just like the designated hitter in baseball. They may not be complete players, but they fill a specific role and excel in that one skill.
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No, they are here to stay so long as the League insists on promoting and sustaining the culture that provides for their presence. As soon as there is a will to get rid of enforcers, they will be gone.
When are they going to do this? It's been talked about for decades. When is this going to happen? I'll wager not in my lifetime or in yours. We may feel that these guys are a waste of a roster spot, but all you have to do is watch how many people get out of their seats when the mitts hit the ice. Owners see this and know it sells. The league will not outlaw this behavior anytime soon as there is a risk it will hurt the bottom line.
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. Kessel was skating faster backwards that Scott was forwards. Scott didn't even get in 1 punch on Kessel, the hacks weren't needed.
