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Old 07-06-2013, 11:01 AM   #261
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Duhatschek coming out and saying something that people on this board get roasted for - that Iginla neglects the defensive side of the game, to the dismay of his coaches - is interesting.

Playing strong without the puck is not optional in Boston. Iginla will sit on the bench if he doesn't change his habits of the last 5-6 years.
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And then he'll sign with LA the following year, and Chicago the year after that. If that doesn't work, he'll just make an offer to the league to purchase the Stanley Cup outright.
See, this is the type of Iggy bashing that gets you roasted, not coming out and say Iginla's defensive game has eroded. That has been an accepted fact here on CP.

And to Rudee, I have to wonder, did Iginla kick your dog or something? Love the passive aggressive bashing you like to display in all the Iginla related topics. Why don't you just cut to the chase and come out and tell all of us why you don't like the guy, rather than try to be smart with the smug comments?
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:04 AM   #262
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He only has to play 10 games to get his contract up to $5.5 million. As far as i am concerned he only has $500,000 in incentive bonus money to play for.
Oh really? That's a little stupid. Considering the style Iginla has played in his career, he's not injury prone, hes no a rookie, so it would be a pretty terrible injury to cause him to not get to 10 games.

So that incentive/bonus is just there to circumnavigate the cap then. And here I though maybe it was a motivating factor.

This kind of underhanded stuff pisses me off. Its just going to lead to teams having cap issues the year after a deal has come into play. These GM's will never learn. We can look forward to a lock out every time the CBA is up for renewal. What a joke of a league.

This escalated quickly.

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Old 07-06-2013, 11:11 AM   #263
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Oh really? That's a little stupid. Considering the style Iginla has played in his career, he's not injury prone, hes no a rookie, so it would be a pretty terrible injury to cause him to not get to 10 games.

So that incentive/bonus is just there to circumnavigate the cap then. And here I though maybe it was a motivating factor.
Yeah - I'm surprised some posters aren't saying:


"Clearly the structure of the contract is because of his pure defensive liability issues and his locker room cancer issues. It's actually so they can suspend him if his locker room cancer and coach fighting issues become too intense in the first 10-games and not have to pay him. It's actually known as the Iginla Cancer Coach Fighting Games Played Clause or ICCFGPC for short. The Flames were actually trying to re-sign him last year but using the ICCFGPC clause however at that point in the process Iginla would have nothing to do with it. Now after only having two teams willing to take on the risk (and only because they were desperate for the cup) and now only ONE team seeking his services in the off season he HAD to take the clause because no one else would offer him anything but".
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:12 AM   #264
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Iggy will have a good season in Boston. He has time to prepare with a training camp, find his niche on the team through a normal 82 game schedule. Last season was a weird one anyways with the lockout, getting traded from the only team he ever played for, trying to adjust to a new team just before the playoffs. Good luck to him, hope he does well.
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:27 AM   #265
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Iggy will have a good season in Boston. He has time to prepare with a training camp, find his niche on the team through a normal 82 game schedule.
I think so too.

One thing I'm curious to watch is to see if he has one of his typical slow starts in Oct/Nov. He's always been a player to really find his form in Dec and on. Perhaps with less pressure of being "the guy", he'll be able to find his groove a little earlier on in the season.
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:32 AM   #266
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Good, I was worried that the structure of this contract was going to make iggy even more of a perimeter player by not going into the tough places for fear of injury. Now that it's 10 games required only I think he will battle hard.
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I'll be very interested to see if Iginla starts the year playing with Lucic and Krejci, or if he starts with Bergeron and Marchand...it would appear the former, but I actually think Bergeron and Marchand more tightly mimic a style where Iginla has been the most successful in the past...and considering Bergeron is a similar style player to Langkow, the fact he's better will make up for what Iginla has lost due to age.

Marchand - Bergeron - Iginla

I see Iginla returning to 30+ goals
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:45 AM   #268
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I'll be very interested to see if Iginla starts the year playing with Lucic and Krejci, or if he starts with Bergeron and Marchand...it would appear the former, but I actually think Bergeron and Marchand more tightly mimic a style where Iginla has been the most successful in the past...and considering Bergeron is a similar style player to Langkow, the fact he's better will make up for what Iginla has lost due to age.

Marchand - Bergeron - Iginla

I see Iginla returning to 30+ goals
If you want to take the most advantage of both Bergeron and Iginla you play Iginla with offensive players and Bergeron with defensive players.

Lucic and Iginla are a good tandem on the wing for Krecji, who likes to set guys up in the faceoff circles and from below the goal line out front. That's Iginla's game.

Bergeron's line is generally about speed. Jagr didn't end up having speed, but what he lacked in that department he made up for in puck control and board play. Iginla doesn't have that aspect to his game, I'd say puck possession and board player are actually two his worst facets, passing, shooting and net-front play being his strengths.

Ericksson keeps the speed up with Bergeron and Marchand, Iginla keeps the playmaking and shooting up with Krejci and Lucic.
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Boston was talking to and wanting to get a deal done with Alfredsson first prior to talking to Iginla.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=427113
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Boston was talking to and wanting to get a deal done with Alfredsson first prior to talking to Iginla.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=427113
That's some selective wording. You are purposely trying to make it seem like they wanted Alfredsson first and Iginla was the backup plan when in fact the facts are that Iginla's agent didn't call them until after.




"Alfredsso and agent J.P. Barry spoke with Chiarelli during the NHL's first two-day interview period about taking that shot with the Bruins. Iginla's agent, Don Meehan, called Chiarelli later, but Boston was only going to sign one of the veteran right-wingers."We had had discussions in that two-day window withDaniel#Alfredsson#and his agent, and it was only towards the end of it when Jarome's agent called us," Chiarelli said. "So at that point, I'm like, 'I've got two really good players here and there's a lot of teams vying for those players.' I wasn't expecting or trying to get both."
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Boston was talking to and wanting to get a deal done with Alfredsson first prior to talking to Iginla.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=427113
It more seems like Alfredsson picked Detroit over Boston before they could make their Alfie or Iginla decision.

Don't know if talking first means mean honestly. It says Don Meehan called Boston for Iginla but for some reason it doesn't say who contacted who first between the Bruins and Alfredsson.
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I'll be very interested to see if Iginla starts the year playing with Lucic and Krejci, or if he starts with Bergeron and Marchand...it would appear the former, but I actually think Bergeron and Marchand more tightly mimic a style where Iginla has been the most successful in the past...and considering Bergeron is a similar style player to Langkow, the fact he's better will make up for what Iginla has lost due to age.

Marchand - Bergeron - Iginla

I see Iginla returning to 30+ goals
30 goals wouldn't be too shocking... The only reason he didn't hit it was due to the lock out.
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That's some selective wording. You are purposely trying to make it seem like they wanted Alfredsson first and Iginla was the backup plan when in fact the facts are that Iginla's agent didn't call them until after.


Umm no, read what I wrote. I said prior to talking to Jarome Iginla, they were wanting to sign Alfredsson. I didn't say they wanted Alfredsson over Iginla. Iginla's agent hadn't contacted them yet.

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Ship out Seguin, sign Iginla.....makes sense.
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Some quick notes from the presser:

- Iginla says he didn't even talk with the Penguins because of their cap/salary situation
- Meehan called the Bruins after it was apparent Alfredsson was signing with the Red Wings
- Chiarelli wanted Alfredsson or Iginla
- Chiarelli gives Iginla props for allowing them to structure the contract the way they did
- Iginla says there were no talks with the Flames for a possible return
I know the reason Iginla was delt was because the he wasn't going to re-sign here, but I do kind of wonder if there was any bitter feelings behind the smiles the day Iginla left. I mostly wonder just cause it would be great to see Iginla back in Calgary one day, whatever capacity it is... he still is Mr Calgary Flames, after he gets his cup wherever it is.
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Umm no, read what I wrote. I said prior to talking to Jarome Iginla, they were wanting to sign Alfredsson. I didn't say they wanted Alfredsson over Iginla. Iginla's agent hadn't contacted them yet.
I did read what you wrote and you said Boston wanted to get a deal done with Alfredsson first before talking to Iginla.

If that's not trying to insinuate something then fine but it sure sounds like you were.
Iginla contacted the Bruins.
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I did read what you wrote and you said Boston wanted to get a deal done with Alfredsson first before talking to Iginla.

If that's not trying to insinuate something then fine but it sure sounds like you were.
Iginla contacted the Bruins.
I wasn't trying to insinuate. Anyways, it seems like it worked out for everyone. Alfredsson preferred Detroit and Iginla got to play in Boston.
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I dont know why people keep thinking Vancouver was ever going to happen? They were talking about it yesterday on TSN and the Canucks homer Ferraro nixxed it immediately saying:

"The Canucks dont have any money."

Its also clear that Iggy has gone full 'Hossa-mercenary' and thats fine. Personally, I think Alfie beat him to it. Iggy should have taken Alfie's spot on the Red Wings if he wanted his best shot at a cup as I think Boston are going to take a step back this season and are probably 'post-apex' now (thanks Jay!) as they are getting older.

That said, in terms of being a mercenary, I dont think Iggy is going to get as many shots at it as Hossa did. His performance in the playoffs last season and his play this season are going to determine what he can do.

When Hossa did it he did it as an excellent complementary player, Iggy doesnt have that in his tool chest as we've all seen. Not to mention his often questionable defensive abilities.

Iggy is a first line sniper and 'on-again-off-again' power forward and his ability to contribute in that role is finite and, again, his ability to adapt and change his game is questionable at best.

I wish him the best, I really do, but unfortunately I dont think this was a good idea, I think it may just have been all that was available, especially considering the contract.

I seriously think he'd have had a better shot taking the opportunity that Alfie took. Dont forget, the Red Wings are in the East this season.

I guess we'll see.
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I dont know why people keep thinking Vancouver was ever going to happen? They were talking about it yesterday on TSN and the Canucks homer Ferraro nixxed it immediately saying:

"The Canucks dont have any money."

Its also clear that Iggy has gone full 'Hossa-mercenary' and thats fine. Personally, I think Alfie beat him to it. Iggy should have taken Alfie's spot on the Red Wings if he wanted his best shot at a cup as I think Boston are going to take a step back this season and are probably 'post-apex' now (thanks Jay!) as they are getting older.

That said, in terms of being a mercenary, I dont think Iggy is going to get as many shots at it as Hossa did. His performance in the playoffs last season and his play this season are going to determine what he can do.

When Hossa did it he did it as an excellent complementary player, Iggy doesnt have that in his tool chest as we've all seen. Not to mention his often questionable defensive abilities.

Iggy is a first line sniper and 'on-again-off-again' power forward and his ability to contribute in that role is finite and, again, his ability to adapt and change his game is questionable at best.

I wish him the best, I really do, but unfortunately I dont think this was a good idea, I think it may just have been all that was available, especially considering the contract.

I seriously think he'd have had a better shot taking the opportunity that Alfie took. Dont forget, the Red Wings are in the East this season.

I guess we'll see.
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Kind of Meh on the whole thing. Just glad he isn't in Van or another western team.
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