[Trade] Flames acquire Shane O'Brien and David Jones for Tanguay and Sarich

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I don't like this trade.

Flames do get a bit younger, and they do get a bit bigger. That is definitely a plus.

Jones seemed to have negative value though.

What most concerns me is that perhaps the Flames just got the 'locker room cancers' from the Avs that Giguere was alluding to at the end of the season. These are the worst to bring in to a team with little leadership.

Also, I was hoping for Veterans to be shipped out for futures, and Feaster to trade for highly paid veterans with a sweetener, and sign some FA's to fill holes and then trade these later at the deadline for more futures.

Jones could be a reclamation project, or his higher scoring seasons was the aberration. Wasn't Jones playing with Stastny? I don't buy the 'buried' thing - not with Duchene - ROR - Statsny as your centers.

Hopefully they are not the problem childs from the Avs. Hopefully they rebound and at least do some of the heavy lifting while the Flames go through their rebuild.

Why isn't this a trade that feels like a 'win'? I didn't think Tanguay had that much value.. 2nd maybe? I didn't anticipate he would bring back a negative value, reclamation/buy out candidate of a contract. Hopefully Jones finds success here and makes this look better.

Why can't it feel like Feaster wins a trade for once? Kind of shuddering on the Cammy trade now.

One bad half season after two good ones and he's a reclamation project? If Jones stinks it up again, can we no buy him out next year free of punishment? Tanguay wasn't getting us any futures of significance, decent bodies for the line up this year, step in the right direction.

The Flames don't have any assets that will see us on the end of any "slame dunk" trades. Moving out assets, getting younger and bigger on some "chances" is the best we can expect with what our current situation is. If this is the reaction the moves the Flames will be able to make get, fans around here need to lower expectations.

The Flames chose not to go into a rebuild 3 years ago when assets could have been leveraged for slam dunk futures. Sucks management didn't and chose to ride these ponies into the ground, but that's what happened. Feaster just took a good gamble with moving out some of our worn down horses, and there are outs if things don't go well.

[polak]

Also I like how we're all dismissing Tanguay for playing poorly for a few weeks after Iginla got traded (a sign of the team throwing in the towel for the season) but are counting on Jones full season of being a terrible hockey player to be a flash in the pan.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by polak

Obviously the 3 goal comment was a joke guys. Come on.

The point is we took one of our only expendable players with positive value and traded them for negative value. You can call it a minor trade but when a minor trade involves one of your teams best players, I think you have a problem.

You're out of your mind if you think we got "negative value".

Honestly, the only player in the deal who had negative value was Sarich.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by polak

Obviously the 3 goal comment was a joke guys. Come on.

The point is we took one of our only expendable players with positive value and traded them for negative value. You can call it a minor trade but when a minor trade involves one of your teams best players, I think you have a problem.

I question the evaluation that Tanguay had positive value.

Beyond the fact that he's 34, he fell apart after Iggy left, he floated all of last season and when things got tough he threw in the towel.

GM's are smart enough to notice it. I doubt any GM was clammering to throw a second or third round pick at an aging one dimensional player without a lot of heart.

[Bertuzzied]

Making room for Clutterbuck!! The Wild are already at the cap. Unless they buy out Heatley, we can prob trade for Clutterbuck. See you at the dome next year in my new Clutterbuck jersey bitches!

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I am shocked that Colorado took that contract.

Maybe Alex will rebound and prove me wrong.

Why? Jones contract is worse.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by polak

Obviously the 3 goal comment was a joke guys. Come on.

The point is we took one of our only expendable players with positive value and traded them for negative value. You can call it a minor trade but when a minor trade involves one of your teams best players, I think you have a problem.

He was a problem on a very bad team. No more problem.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by $ven27

Why? Jones contract is worse.

False.

[FlamesAddiction]

To me, it's about what would I think he should be worth, it's that I'd rather not make the deal at all if we are just getting back another anchor, which in my opinion is going to be even bigger than the one we got rid of.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Making room for Clutterbuck!! The Wild are already at the cap. Unless they buy out Heatley, we can prob trade for Clutterbuck. See you at the dome next year in my new Clutterbuck jersey bitches!

The thought of Clusterf*&k in a Flames Jersey makes me so hard!!! I would LOVE to have him here. Hate him for the damage he's done to us in his career, but he would be welcome with open arms. And he brings that heavy hitting game of his.

Yes Please.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by FlamesFan101

Jay Feaster is single handedly running this team into the ground. Jones was viewed as a potential buy out candidate amongst Avalanche fans (3 more years @ 4million, wow) and Shane O'Brien is considered one of the worst defensemen in the NHL. It's going to be a looooong rebuild, especially with Feaster leading it.

Overreact much?

First, Feaster hasn't run this team into the ground. The natural process of age and declining talent ran this team into the ground. It's a cycle. It has happened with every team in the NHL.

Second, Avs fans can speculate all they want about who is and isn't a buyout candidate. It doesn't mean anything whatsoever. Are Avs fans going to log on to their message board and complain they got Tanguay because a few people over at CP said Tanguay should be bought out?

Thirdly, Shane O'Brien is certainly not the worst defenseman in the NHL. Not even close.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Except that the guy has put up points and can penalty kill effectively.

He's hardly a tough guy scrub.

I think people are under evaluating what Jones brings to the table. And I'm more likely to think that a 28 year old that has a single bad season after three pretty good ones and had a low shooting percentage had a bad season.

Add on top of that the Avs had a coach who was functionally ######ed and you start to see a reason for player declines.

Wasn't Joe Sacco the coach from 2009 - 13? Which is the same time frame where Jones had his good years? Also, I would say 2 good years...he didn't play close to a full season until his 4th year...

[kyuss275]

The SOB part of the deal kind of has me worried. Granted he is tough but, my friend who is an avid Av's fan, is 99% sure he was the "go to Vegas" leader in the dressing room last year. He better not try that crap with the flames this year or i will want him bought out.

[polak]

Again Tanguays bad play for a few weeks after the team threw in the towel some how eliminates him from being a positive value player? Half the team went through an exodus.

Also Tanguays NMC obviously wasn't a big deal.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by polak

Also I like how we're all dismissing Tanguay for playing poorly for a few weeks after Iginla got traded (a sign of the team throwing in the towel for the season) but are counting on Jones full season of being a terrible hockey player to be a flash in the pan.

nobody is counting on that ^^ but if a player has two 20+ goal seasons and then somehow drops to freaking 3 in a shortened season, I don't think it's foolish to hope that he just needs a change of scenery and can excel on a weak team like the Flames. Tanguay on the other hand clearly mailed it in after Iginla and Bouwmeester were traded and I for my part don't want to have such a floating vet on a rebuilding team. This is a team that needs guidance by vets who play with heart and Tanguay probably wouldn't have done that. Not too sad to see him gone, just give his ice time to Sven

Plus, and I really think that is a big plus, you swap one of your 427 left wings for a right wing.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by $ven27

Why? Jones contract is worse.

Incorrect.

Tanguay will be 37 when his contract is over.

Jones will be 31.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Making room for Clutterbuck!! The Wild are already at the cap. Unless they buy out Heatley, we can prob trade for Clutterbuck. See you at the dome next year in my new Clutterbuck jersey bitches!

I guess you have not heard the reports that the Oilers are talking to the Wild about Clutterbuck.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

False.

Both expire the same year, 4M vs. 3.5M

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by polak

Also I like how we're all dismissing Tanguay for playing poorly for a few weeks after Iginla got traded (a sign of the team throwing in the towel for the season) but are counting on Jones full season of being a terrible hockey player to be a flash in the pan.

Your under evaluating Jones complete game and what he brings to the table and over valuing Tanguay's offense.

Your also dismissing a 20 some year old player based on a bad year and ignoring the fact that Tanguay is far more one dimensional and 34.

Jones is a effort guy, he's fairly fast, physical, drives to the net kills penalty and outside of last year has shown a good wrist shot and nice hands in close.

Tanguay passes the puck well. His skating was not as good as previous years. He avoided the corners like they had the plague and he did the unforgivable and gave up the ghost in the face of adversity instead of doing what a veteran should do and that's try to lead the way.

I hate to sound cruel about anyone but good riddance to Alex, his time here was done and I doubt that GM's were lining up for the guy.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Making room for Clutterbuck!! The Wild are already at the cap. Unless they buy out Heatley, we can prob trade for Clutterbuck. See you at the dome next year in my new Clutterbuck jersey bitches!

Making room? We have a slightly higher cap hit now than we did before the trade. And we acquired a bottom 6 player that plays the same position as Clutterbuck.