I like Jay Feaster

[Erick Estrada]

Jay's not an easy guy to dislike because he's a nice guy and pretty honest. There's been a mix of good and bad since he took over. Nothing really terrible but nothing really great either. However he's been very, very fortunate to narrowly avoid a few franchise crippling disasters and I'm not going to forget them until he can prove that those days are behind him and with free agency upon us like before the draft I'm a little concerned about what can happen.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Jay's not an easy guy to dislike because he's a nice guy and pretty honest. There's been a mix of good and bad since he took over. Nothing really terrible but nothing really great either. However he's been very, very fortunate to narrowly avoid a few franchise crippling disasters and I'm not going to forget them until he can prove that those days are behind him and with free agency upon us like before the draft I'm a little concerned about what can happen.

You could look at it another way and say he is pretty easy to dislike because of his used-car salesmen like pitches.

Not only did we get 3 1st rounders this year from the draft, but CP also got "Feaster's List" from it. Thanx T. Jay!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

You could look at it another way and say he is pretty easy to dislike because of his used-car salesmen like pitches.

Not only did we get 3 1st rounders this year from the draft, but CP also got "Feaster's List" from it. Thanx T. Jay!

He's toned that down since the ROR debacle. The salesmen pitches I could do without but I feel that's Jay being Jay and that's the way he rolled in Tampa as well and we just didn't see it in Calgary like we do now that he's our GM.

[mrdonkey]

Feaster has a lot more to prove before he can be absolved of narrowly avoiding catastrophe with Richards and ROR. The draft was one step in a positive direction, let's see what happens during free agency. I like the Galiardi and Knight pickups, and the Jones trade was meh (which for Feaster is a step up, at least). Already I'm a bit worried by the Lecavalier rumors that Flames brass are going to settle back into their old ways of trying to cut corners with this rebuild. Time will tell.

I do like that the team is getting younger and tougher to play against. If we're going to lose we might as well make it difficult for teams to walk out of the dome with those 2 points. Nothing was worse than watching a team of overpaid geezers and creampuffs mail it in on a nightly basis.

[mikeecho]

Lecavalier signed with the Flyers hours ago. Is this still something to be concerned about?

What I find interesting is that Feaster is judged as much by things people wildly imagine he will do as he is for what he really does.

No level headed human will argue that he's been perfect, but people blow a lot of things out of proportion.

Some guy on the street corner drops a rumor that The flyers wanted to trade their garbage bags to us for Sven, Gaudreau, and every other prospect and all of the sudden Feaster is an idiot that almost emptied our cupboards in a trade with the Flyers.

C'mon!!!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

I hear he is changing his name to T. Jay Feaster.

Out of thanks, but thanks

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

There was a phantom goal in 2004?

I'm still steamed about the non-call in 1990.

Interference on Vernon?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Interference on Vernon?

That, and waving off the Flames' OT goal in game 6. (I count that as a non-call, or perhaps I should say an anti-call, since Denis Morel overruled the goal judge who called it a goal.)

I still remember how bitter Terry Crisp was after that game. 'We didn't get beat out,' he said. He deserved to be bitter, especially since he got fired for losing that series. That was one of the incidents that led the NHL to adopt video review of goal/no goal calls in 1991 — too late to help Crisp or the Flames.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

So the general sentiment for Feaster haters is that past attempts to make big bold moves to improv an ailing franchise may possibly have set back said franchise, so until there are enough good moves done by Feaster, these 2 or 3 incidents (out of at least 30 or so) are going to haunt every big day (i.e. draft day, deadline day, UFA day) that he oversees until he's fired?

Can we make an agreement with the Feaster hater crowd? If Feaster does well on UFA day coming up I request the following:
1) We stop talking about the Brad Richards and Ryan O'Reilly situations since they didn't actually end up happening and therefore do NOT affect the franchise.
2) We give Feaster a pat on the back for his recent exceptional work at restocking our prospect cupboards.
3) We give him the benefit of the doubt going forward and stop all these "I'm worried" and "If Feaster does 'X' he needs to be fired immediately" posts.

I for one am fully confident in this group to build a good team. There's been a lot of progress over the past 2 years. It's obviously going to take longer to be a true contender, but I know they will make mostly good moves. Until Feaster starts pulling Al Coates or Doug Risebrough moves, I will defer to his expertise and leave him the hell alone.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I for one am fully confident in this group to build a good team.

Good for you. I respect your opinion just as you should respect mine and I am playing wait and see as he has to prove to me that the Richards, ROR fiasco, and underwhelming returns on Iginla/Bouwmeester were blips on the radar and not something that could be an annual event.

Also in reguards to his "exceptional work" you do realize we witnessed arguably one of the all-time worst Flames teams this season under his leadership right? He gets a lot of credit for "stocking the cupboards" but all of his picks to date have made zero contributions to the big team and until some of these guys start contributing we have no idea just how good a job he's really doing finding NHL talent in the draft. Failing your way into Monahan is no better than the Oilers failing themselves into all those 1st overall picks.

BTW 'hater' is one of the laziest terms used on the internet. It's basically a slacker's way of not putting up a good argument and categorizing people that don't share your opinion.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

BTW 'hater' is one of the laziest terms used on the internet. It's basically a slacker's way of not putting up a good argument and categorizing people that don't share your opinion.

Wait...so you don't hate Feaster? It's really hard to tell from your posts. I call it like I see it, and I don't think there's anything "lazy" about that.

How about this; you begrudgingly accept Feaster as the current GM, but naysay every move he makes?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Wait...so you don't hate Feaster? It's really hard to tell from your posts.

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Jay's not an easy guy to dislike because he's a nice guy and pretty honest.

Really? Maybe you should take off your goggles as I don't hate anyone.

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

How about this; you begrudgingly accept Feaster as the current GM, but naysay every move he makes?

How about you worry about your own opinions and I will worry about mine?

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Good for you. I respect your opinion just as you should respect mine and I am playing wait and see as he has to prove to me that the Richards, ROR fiasco, and underwhelming returns on Iginla/Bouwmeester were blips on the radar and not something that could be an annual event......

Underwhelming? Jarome locked Feaster and Co's hands in this one. He picked Pittsburgh, Jarome said this in multiple statements after he was traded. We are lucky we got what we did for him.

And JayBo, we got another first rounder...I really have no issues with the fact that we got Morgan and Emile with trading these players. We will be better off without those two so we can do a proper rebuild.

Thank you Jay Feaster for finally trading those two guys. Those events that some are calling on you to get fired that didn't actually happen are behind us and really need to be let go.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

Underwhelming? Jarome locked Feaster and Co's hands in this one. He picked Pittsburgh, Jarome said this in multiple statements after he was traded. We are lucky we got what we did for him.

And JayBo, we got another first rounder...I really have no issues with the fact that we got Morgan and Emile with trading these players. We will be better off without those two so we can do a proper rebuild.

Lesser players have fetched higher returns and while the 1st round picks are fine I have more of a beef with the mediocre prospects involved as neither the Penguins or Blues prospects were regarded as top 10 prospects in either pool and you can argue they just threw them in as a courtesy seeing they weren't part of those teams plans moving forward. I'm still to this day not clear on why they just didn't ship him to Boston and taken the superior offer. I'm fairly sure by the last day they were at the point of no return that Iginla would have gone to the Bruins rather than stay with the Flames. Not sure why they felt they had to bend backwards for a player that intended to leave the organization this summer anyway.

Darryl Sutter managed to fleece a few teams when he was Flames GM but has Feaster ever fleeced a team in his GM career? Seems like he's come out even or the loser on most of his moves.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Darryl Sutter managed to fleece a few teams when he was Flames GM but has Feaster ever fleeced a team in his GM career? Seems like he's come out even or the loser on most of his moves.

This "fleecing" idea is to me a media creation. Every team has a motivation to make a trade. Sometimes the motivation isn't readily apparent and the media may call them "losers" in a trade. GM know their industry better than we do. They essentially work in a 30 person market and they can only receive what someone else is willing to pay for their goods. Sometimes the value is high...sometimes it isn't. They have to determine if they are willing to accept the return that the market is offering.

Sometimes GMs get lucky and the value for their players is really high or a player being offered really fits their needs. These I suppose are the "winners" of a trade but you can't "fleece" someone in the industry. GMs aren't stupid (except Milbury) and will only give up what they want to give up for the assets they will receive. It always takes two to tango in the trading market.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Lesser players have fetched higher returns and while the 1st round picks are fine I have more of a beef with the mediocre prospects involved as neither the Penguins or Blues prospects were regarded as top 10 prospects in either pool and you can argue they just threw them in as a courtesy seeing they weren't part of those teams plans moving forward. I'm still to this day not clear on why they just didn't ship him to Boston and taken the superior offer. I'm fairly sure by the last day they were at the point of no return that Iginla would have gone to the Bruins rather than stay with the Flames. Not sure why they felt they had to bend backwards for a player that intended to leave the organization this summer anyway.

Darryl Sutter managed to fleece a few teams when he was Flames GM but has Feaster ever fleeced a team in his GM career? Seems like he's come out even or the loser on most of his moves.

So many assumptions in order to arrive at your conclusion.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Lesser players have fetched higher returns and while the 1st round picks are fine I have more of a beef with the mediocre prospects involved as neither the Penguins or Blues prospects were regarded as top 10 prospects in either pool and you can argue they just threw them in as a courtesy seeing they weren't part of those teams plans moving forward. I'm still to this day not clear on why they just didn't ship him to Boston and taken the superior offer. I'm fairly sure by the last day they were at the point of no return that Iginla would have gone to the Bruins rather than stay with the Flames. Not sure why they felt they had to bend backwards for a player that intended to leave the organization this summer anyway.

Darryl Sutter managed to fleece a few teams when he was Flames GM but has Feaster ever fleeced a team in his GM career? Seems like he's come out even or the loser on most of his moves.

By many accounts, and in my personal opinion, Sieloff, Brossoit, Arnold, Kulak, Granlund, Ramage, Ortio, and DeBlouw are all prospects that are not in our top 10 (maybe one or two of them are in your, or someone else's, list, but that's not the point and only means that one or two others aren't).

I think all of them are potentially 'in our plans' and I wouldn't consider any of them 'courtesy throw ins' in a trade.

They are all assets, to a greater or lesser extent, and who knows which of them - along with Cundari, Berra, Agostino and Hanowski - may turn out to be NHLers (and yes, quite possibly none of them will).

But that's the whole point with prospects: both quality and quantity, and see who develops.

[Fire in the disco]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Good for you. I respect your opinion just as you should respect mine and I am playing wait and see as he has to prove to me that the Richards, ROR fiasco, and underwhelming returns on Iginla/Bouwmeester were blips on the radar and not something that could be an annual event.

Also in reguards to his "exceptional work" you do realize we witnessed arguably one of the all-time worst Flames teams this season under his leadership right? He gets a lot of credit for "stocking the cupboards" but all of his picks to date have made zero contributions to the big team and until some of these guys start contributing we have no idea just how good a job he's really doing finding NHL talent in the draft. Failing your way into Monahan is no better than the Oilers failing themselves into all those 1st overall picks.

BTW 'hater' is one of the laziest terms used on the internet. It's basically a slacker's way of not putting up a good argument and categorizing people that don't share your opinion.

So according to you Iggy wasn't good enough to be top 6 on any good team (said before the deadline) and now were griping with Feaster for getting an underwhelming return for a couple months of his services?

[Flame On]

I don't know. I find myself holding my breath a bit when big milestone events on a season happen like trade deadlines and the draft day. Not so much the picks but trades around it.
I guess like any gm's he has some good, some bad. Galliardi is good, return for Regehr is bad, for example.
I do like, that at last, his talking point about being harder to play against and bigger is something he's working to address. Getting bigger and improving skill is hard but he's slowly starting to turn that ship.

[dammage79]

Feaster knew going into this new division there was no way the team as it was assembled was going to survive wit out some additions with size. It's going to be tough still but playing teams like L.A or SJ won't hurt as much now.