[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[RedMan12]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

You’re absolutely right, fans have no clue. We should have total and unquestioning trust that the GM who gave us Dave Cameron and Glen Gulutzan won’t drop the ball with another “out of the box” coaching hire.

Don't forget Harmonic and Brouwer.

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[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by bax

I honestly think Sutter would be a disaster with this roster.

Your not alone. I don't mind if they hire Sutter. If they do however hire him they better make huge changes to the roster. I'm not talking getting someone to play with Bennett. Changes would need to be done to top 6. A lot easier said then done .

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

That's sensationalizing the matter though, as well as separating the conclusion from the rest of its prior context.

And I would put that specific mention off as people being a little reactionary and emotional to the idea of Peters coming in, but no one should be mocked or looked down on simply for questioning Treliving's opinions on coaching right now. Not after he brought in Gulutzan, who did worse with a better roster... and Cameron, who ran a miserable PP in OTT and was hired to run a similarly miserable PP in Calgary. Which so many fans saw coming from the moment he was spotted in Winsport.

Yes, CP posters and other fans may not have all the information, but they sure as heck aren't far off the mark on judging certain GM decisions the moment they're made. He ended up fessing up to his mistake and firing both.

Take it a step further - there are a number of people on here who are 2-3 SD's smarter than your average NHL GM, and when you consider the hive mind, it's off the charts. So, while they have experience, there are a number of fans who are actually better at analysis and problem solving. I see no particular reason to genuflect before someone whose main qualifications consist of having played hockey at a high level and having lots of contacts in the game. Sure they have access to a lot more data than we do, but that doesn't mean they are great at processing said data...

[Textcritic]

The Calgary coaching situation was discussed on TSN 1040 this afternoon with Lawrence Gilman. It was interesting to hear his take on the group: he believes the Flames have an excellent young roster, are poised to make some noise, and he agrees that the team badly underachieved.

Gilman was asked specifically about Alain Vignault, and thinks that he will view his next HC job as likely his last chance to win a Championship. He seems to think that this primary concern trumps everything else, including compensation. When asked about which team of those currently or potentially looking for a new coach would be Vignault's preferred destination, Gilman believes the Flames probably represent his best option to win, unless Washington decides to move on from Trotz.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

You’re absolutely right, fans have no clue. We should have total and unquestioning trust that the GM who gave us Dave Cameron and Glen Gulutzan won’t drop the ball with another “out of the box” coaching hire.

Virtually NO ONE is making this suggestion. Some of us happen to think an ounce of humility is in order when gauging what we think we know as fans against decisions made by NHL professional executives. There is a huge difference between questioning or disagreeing with a decision, and labeling it as outright stupid.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by RedMan12

Don't forget Harmonic and Brouwer.

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In what world were acquiring a top 4 defensive defenceman and a 20 goal/40-50 point winger "out of the box" moves?

[dammage79]

I like AV because he has tactics in game like Hartley did. And he laughs hysterically at Bieksa impersonations.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The Calgary coaching situation was discussed on TSN 1040 this afternoon with Lawrence Gilman. It was interesting to hear his take on the group: he believes the Flames have an excellent young roster, are poised to make some noise, and he agrees that the team badly underachieved.

Gilman was asked specifically about Alain Vignault, and thinks that he will view his next HC job as likely his last chance to win a Championship. He seems to think that this primary concern trumps everything else, including compensation. When asked about which team of those currently or potentially looking for a new coach would be Vignault's preferred destination, Gilman believes the Flames probably represent his best option to win, unless Washington decides to move on from Trotz.

Calgary or Dallas. Dallas has the more polished group IMO. But Calgary has the advantage of being younger and can be better over a longer timespan.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Calgary or Dallas. Dallas has the more polished group IMO. But Calgary has the advantage of being younger and can be better over a longer timespan.

There was also something credible about Tippett to Dallas...

PS I believe it was Incogneto's source.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

There was also something credible about Tippett to Dallas....

Awesome if true.

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

I have this bad feeling that Washington will lose to Columbus, Trotz will get fired and then hired here. While it doesn't necessarily mean much, Treliving did say some of the candidates still had jobs right now.

[RedMan12]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

In what world were acquiring a top 4 defensive defenceman and a 20 goal/40-50 point winger "out of the box" moves?

Never said it was out of the box. People have a reason to question the GM after several questionable moves with coaching and player personnel.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Calgary or Dallas. Dallas has the more polished group IMO. But Calgary has the advantage of being younger and can be better over a longer timespan.

Agreed. I was quite interested in what he said, because I think it provides a perspective of the talent-level of the Flames from a seasoned NHL executive, which is in fairly sharp contrast to the sentiment expressed by a number of fans at the end of the season. Perhaps this team is actually not that far away from being a contender after all.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Fire

Why even have a GM if you think the Flames should make moves based on the popular opinion of the fans. Maybe every decision should be done via a poll on CP!

Do you have an example of where CP popular opinion was way off the mark? Links preferred.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Agreed. I was quite interested in what he said, because I think it provides a perspective of the talent-level of the Flames from a seasoned NHL executive, which is in fairly sharp contrast to the sentiment expressed by a number of fans at the end of the season. Perhaps this team is actually not that far away from being a contender after all.

Don't think the Flames roster is that far off. Just a couple of non-fits that will be looked after.

D corps are nice to beef up but forward depth is equally key. Just gotta slide the bar a tick back towards forwards and away from D and I think he'll get it.

Not far but some moves still.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Do you have an example of where CP popular opinion was way off the mark? Links preferred.

I don't have a link, but a number of CP posters were pretty certain after the expansion draft that George McPhee was a moron who had no clue about what he was doing. By sharp contrast, this was not something that was echoed with the same enthusiasm in the media.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

There was also something credible about Tippett to Dallas....

Dallas and Calgary seem like a wash to me. Similarly flawed rosters, just in different areas. Don't think either are at the top of AV's list, or any other legit NHL coaching candidate.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Don't think the Flames roster is that far off. Just a couple of non-fits that will be looked after.

D corps are nice to beef up but forward depth is equally key. Just gotta slide the bar a tick back towards forwards and away from D and I think he'll get it.

Not far but some moves still.

Agreed.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by sempuki

It's not irrelevant in the sense that he's an old school coach, and that's the pitfall and down fall of old school coaches, and the express reason Bob was let go and replaced with a "players coach".

Do you see that decision reversing itself so soon? Do you think the only thing holding this team back is someone to yell at them?

Don’t be silly and over simplify why Sutter is a good coach. He’s not just a good “yeller”. True, he has a shelf life, most do, almost any choice that gets made will have a shelf life.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by RedMan12

Never said it was out of the box. People have a reason to question the GM after several questionable moves with coaching and player personnel.

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You quoted someone who said "out of the box" and deed two more examples. In any event, those weren't questionable moves. They were well accepted moves, one of which didn't work out, one of which did.