[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[badradio]

Peters makes no sense. I think Brad is a smart enough guy to know that, it’s his last kick at the cat and he wouldn’t make a sideways move like Peters. He will be going for AV or Sutter or another experienced coach that gets fired.

[bax]

I honestly think Sutter would be a disaster with this roster.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by badradio

Peters makes no sense. I think Brad is a smart enough guy to know that, it’s his last kick at the cat and he wouldn’t make a sideways move like Peters. He will be going for AV or Sutter or another experienced coach that gets fired.

Who kicks cats?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm looking for a source right now but I know for a fact Treliving had no restrictions during the 2014 draft.

Edit: here



https://thehockeywriters.com/new-fla...right-to-work/

Well that's awfully disappointing. What a terrible draft that was. Just abysmal.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You are damn right it is. I am absolutely certain that Brad Treliving is better at this than any one of us nameless/faceless internet critics. And for the record, it is NEVER a bad idea to set a higher level of confidence in the opinion of experts.

Clearly you don't believe we should even be discussing things because we don't know what Treliving's contacts are thinking - and much as you walked back that statement when I challenged, you very much did imply you knew more about it than anyone else. So what's the point? Oh, right, we're just simplistic because you don't trust our ability to analyze. Even though many of us came to the same conclusion on Gulutzan that Treliving did months ago. Oh, wait, you think we just "guessed" right.

So if you don't seem to think we should be discussing much because we're not in Treliving's inner circle, and you definitely don't think we're capable of making an intelligent analysis anyway, then I have to ask: why are you even here?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

His last "out of the box" hire (likely his first and only one) blew up spectacularly in his face. So I'm willing to bet that his shortlist looks very similar to CP's since there are only a handful of "experienced" names out there and some of them already being mentioned as potential replacements for Gulutzan, their coaching styles and impressions already getting dissected.

I agree with this, but am really hesitant to compartmentalize the rumoured candidates as "conventional" or "unconventional" choices, or to disqualify certain rumoured candidates as obviously bad choices.

Why do you consider that a 'presumptuous' thing to assume? Is it presumptuous, hasty, or arrogant to form judgements based solely on not being 100% privy on their coaching review process?

I think it is presumptuous to believe that if Treliving does not share my opinion of candidate X he must not know what he is doing.

[Strange Brew]

wrong thread

[Rtown]

Originally Posted by bax

I honestly think Sutter would be a disaster with this roster.

I will always be a DSutter fan. But while I won’t go as far as say disaster, I would be somewhat skeptical if there’s a fit here.

I do however get a little giddy at the thought of him possibly putting a little “snarl” in Monahan, Janko and Hamilton’s games. While seeing how much more “consistent nasty” he could draw out of Bennett, Ferland,Chuckie and Hamonic

Geez On second thought I think I just talked myself into a ticket on the Darryl train.

[Roof-Daddy]

Nice job with the merge.

[MissTeeks]

Coming in late after a three-thread merge =

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Coming in late after a three-thread merge =

I'm sorry.

It was by popular demand.

[MissTeeks]

Totally fine, I just got super confused for a minute lol.

[Drunk Uncle]

Originally Posted by Itse

It's not exactly the same thing, but it's still pretty much the same thing.

If your process of deciding who's a fit starts with you determining which system fits your team, then no question, you think you're qualified to make that decision and you're making at least preliminary call on the issue.

If you don't think you're qualified, then you don't make that a part of your process.

I also don't realistically see someone deciding which system would fit their team and then be okay if the guy they hire to do that starts doing something completely different.

I also think you're likely to lose out on the best coach available, just like you're likely to miss out on the best player available at the draft if you draft for "organization needs". Most likely "the best player available" just "wasn't the right fit at that time".

Ok, by your definition I definitely believe that management is qualified to make and should make the decision of what system or systems can best fit the team they've constructed. In my eyes this decision has to be made by management because it defines what type of players you are looking for and how you want to build/fit the team you've constructed. It doesn't have to be just one system that works but the coaching system has to fit.

From what I've seen, coaches do not change their X's and O's or philosophies to suit the team they are coaching. Gallant, Babcock, Budreau, AV, BT etc. all coach the exact same way with their new teams as they did for their old ones. Then they try to find the right roles for the players in their system. The X's and O's, theories on shot blocking, hitting, puck possession etc. are the same from what I can see. It's relatively easy for management to evaluate this IMO. Soft skills of a coach is a totally different issue.

Unlike the draft lottery, I think the best coach for your team may not be the best coach available. In the draft the theory of "best player available" is held to acquire the best asset available to your organization. Later that asset can be used either to either play for you or as currency to get the player you need. Hiring a coach is different IMO. You need the coach that will get the most out of your team as constructed. If the new coach coaches a system that isn't compatible with the players they have, I think the team suffers and management hasn't correctly done their job.

[Ashasx]

One thread YESSSSSSSSS

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think it is presumptuous to believe that if Treliving does not share my opinion of candidate X he must not know what he is doing.

That's sensationalizing the matter though, as well as separating the conclusion from the rest of its prior context.

And I would put that specific mention off as people being a little reactionary and emotional to the idea of Peters coming in, but no one should be mocked or looked down on simply for questioning Treliving's opinions on coaching right now. Not after he brought in Gulutzan, who did worse with a better roster... and Cameron, who ran a miserable PP in OTT and was hired to run a similarly miserable PP in Calgary. Which so many fans saw coming from the moment he was spotted in Winsport.

Yes, CP posters and other fans may not have all the information, but they sure as heck aren't far off the mark on judging certain GM decisions the moment they're made. He ended up fessing up to his mistake and firing both.

[djsFlames]

Treliving is a hipster GM that needs to go mainstream for once.

Hopefully some different rumours will trickle out.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

That shot is almost exactly the angle I was referring to. Our shot charts under Gulutzan don't seem to have much of that.

Honestly I can't really recall a lot of them attempting that pass - at even strength or on the PP.

When our d-men had the puck in that position to make that pass they tend to take the shot (shot charts show that), and post the injury to Versteeg there wasn't really a winger who would spin off the boards there and try to make that pass to the winger on the other side.

[Spinach]

What was the reason for the Flames hiring Cameron in the first place?

[Fire]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Treliving is a hipster GM that needs to go mainstream for once.

Hopefully some different rumours will trickle out.

Why even have a GM if you think the Flames should make moves based on the popular opinion of the fans. Maybe every decision should be done via a poll on CP!

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Fire

Why even have a GM if you think the Flames should make moves based on the popular opinion of the fans. Maybe every decision should be done via a poll on CP!

You’re absolutely right, fans have no clue. We should have total and unquestioning trust that the GM who gave us Dave Cameron and Glen Gulutzan won’t drop the ball with another “out of the box” coaching hire.