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Old 09-24-2025, 02:04 PM   #26981
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According to the 2021 census it's closer to ...err, ok only by age, but looks to be 10%

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-r.../index-en.html

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Old 09-24-2025, 02:10 PM   #26982
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Recall that TEBA's complaint to the Labor Board surrounding items the ATA said in internal communications to union members kicked this off. They picked a pretty generic thing to complain about, in my opinion, as a tactic to get the ATA to the table with a compliant third party overseeing the proceedings.



The resolution of that labor complaint was the consent order from the Labor Board that says there are apparently only 3 outstanding items.



Shortly after that labor board meeting, the head of the ATA negotiating team resigned.



My two cents? The ATA got outmaneuvered by the government, and are now boxed in. A vote by the union to turn down the proposal gives them the ammunition to continue negotiating for improved classroom supports, complexity issues, etc.
Oh okay, so not ratifying this deal will reopen the negotiations outside of the 3 BS issues from the labour board? If that's the case this makes sense to me
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Old 09-24-2025, 02:18 PM   #26983
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Source for that please?
4.5 million Canadians (11 per cent of the population) reported incomes of $100k or higher

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...pid=1110000801

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-income-level/
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Old 09-24-2025, 03:05 PM   #26984
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4.5 million Canadians (11 per cent of the population) reported incomes of $100k or higher

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...pid=1110000801

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-income-level/
Which is 25% of people who earn at least a full time, minimum wage salary.
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Old 09-24-2025, 03:16 PM   #26985
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Which is 25% of people who earn at least a full time, minimum wage salary.
Yeah exactly. Including non-working Canadians into that earlier calculation is kind of disingenuous (even if it is true).
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Old 09-24-2025, 03:17 PM   #26986
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You can use hydrogen now. Maybe the province should lean into that, since they love hydrogen so much.
That's not really how it works.

Canadian mills for the most part fall into 3 categories,

the biggest ones are the top photo, they need coal.

the other more common and established mills are the right half of the bottom photo, but on the left half is primarily fed from scrap, not iron ore. They are steel mills but not steel refineries. They need scrap, which becomes scarce fast if you stop burning coal. *The tiny amount of steel making capacity in Alberta falls into this category.

the newer lines at 2 of the mills kind of follow the bottom process, but use natural gas instead of hydrogen, and also use scrap and waste from the top mills as feed stock.

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There is also the problem of Grey hydrogen, where you are actually creating more GHG than you would if you just used fossil fuels directly, instead of burning them to make an intermediate product that is later re-heated again.

The Canadian steel industry as is very much needs coal still to produce, just not coal from the Alberta Rockies, it's the wrong kind and in the wrong place to work for them.
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Yeah exactly. Including non-working Canadians into that earlier calculation is kind of disingenuous (even if it is true).
Cost of living by jurisdiction needs to be considered as well.

$100,000 in NB =/= $100,000 in AB.
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Yeah exactly. Including non-working Canadians into that earlier calculation is kind of disingenuous (even if it is true).
Even including “Canada” as an entirely entity is a bit disingenuous, as it ignores way too many factors.

If you look at just higher concentration areas like Calgary or Toronto, for example, around 30% of the full time, minimum wage+ workers make $100K or more.
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The other day I was talking with a friend who is a teacher and I asked them what kind of strike benefits they would receive if they did end up on strike and they said they weren’t 100% sure but they think the ATA covers the premium costs to keep their health benefits going but don’t have a fund set up for strike pay.

Are there any ATA members in this thread who can confirm whether or not this is true?
Confirmed. But we pay the ATA back for our benefits through payroll deductions when the strike is over.
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Which is 25% of people who earn at least a full time, minimum wage salary.
If you want to look at full-time workers, yes it’s 25% for $100k. Given how steeply income declines at those levels, I’d guess the $125k figure ucb asked me to source is less than 15% of Canadians.

* A third as many Canadians earn $150k+ as earn $100k:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-income-level/
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Old 09-24-2025, 04:08 PM   #26991
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Even including “Canada” as an entirely entity is a bit disingenuous, as it ignores way too many factors.

If you look at just higher concentration areas like Calgary or Toronto, for example, around 30% of the full time, minimum wage+ workers make $100K or more.
Why stop there? If we zoom into just downtown Calgary or look at Bay Street in Toronto the percentage grows quite a bit higher.
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