PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

[nik-]

I wish Americans knew just how much their economy wouldn't work without illegals working in restaurants and for food producers.

The companies that abuse the H-1B visas to replace staff, like Disney did with their IT, should definitely be gone after. But most of these jobs are awful and no American born citizen is clamouring to get them

[nik-]

Originally Posted by New Era

The SPLC calls him what he is. If you read the reports instead of listening to this guy whine about the classification he deems as being unfair you would understand the classification. sometimes these classifications are for the individual's protection so when, as a person of interest, he comes into a. Immunity the local LEOs know what type of crap can possibly go down. When a guy labels himself as an activist, and he goes against the vast majority of his community to the point they view his views as extreme, you get to deal with a label. You know, kind of like some of the environmentalist out.

What actions of his would you classify as extreme in the context of society as a whole?

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by nik-

I wish Americans knew just how much their economy wouldn't work without illegals working in restaurants and for food producers.

The companies that abuse the H-1B visas to replace staff, like Disney did with their IT, should definitely be gone after. But most of these jobs are awful and no American born citizen is clamouring to get them

That's reasonable and makes sense but as a rebuttal let me say DEY TERK ER JERBS!

As you can see it's a nuanced and multifaceted argument.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I can't remember which poster it was that wanted a Trump hat for ####s and giggles. Well, why not some MAGA Christmas Ornaments? Elite priced at $149!

I am about 98% sure I have seen the factory those ornaments are made at. Its in China.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Weitz

And they are. I spoke to a ton of black folks in Texas this weekend that voted Trump.

Trump used the old "the enemy of my enemy" tactic to get some of the African American vote.

It's funny how people pick and chose what they want to believe though. Even after all the anti-Muslim statements, he still received support from the Nation of Islam which applauded him for standing up to Jews. Nationalists tend to stick together on many issues even when they dislike each other.

Also, not to get into semantics, but some "African-Americans" even disagree what the term means. To some, it means direct descendants of West African slaves brought to America (many of whom are actually mixed race), and for some it means any American of African descent. The distinction is often made in poorer areas where more recent African immigrants have fared really well compared to old-stock African Americans due to lingering effects of historical injustices. Divisions are more about class than skin colour.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by nik-

I wish Americans knew just how much their economy wouldn't work without illegals working in restaurants and for food producers.

The companies that abuse the H-1B visas to replace staff, like Disney did with their IT, should definitely be gone after. But most of these jobs are awful and no American born citizen is clamouring to get them

But that's ok! As soon as the illegal Mexicans leave, all these great low paying jobs will be left for all the legal African Americans who will swoop in and take the crappy jobs back!

[Senator Clay Davis]

So remember last week when Ben Carson didn't want a cabinet position because he didn't have any government experience? Apparently about to be named HUD director. Looking forward to the Washington Monument being turned into a grain tower.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

But that's ok! As soon as the illegal Mexicans leave, all these great low paying jobs will be left for all the legal African Americans who will swoop in and take the crappy jobs back!

that's a start.. wages may go up and yes prices would have to go up too.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

So remember last week when Ben Carson didn't want a cabinet position because he didn't have any government experience? Apparently about to be named HUD director. Looking forward to the Washington Monument being turned into a grain tower.

You could fit a lot in the US Capitol dome.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...S._Capitol.jpg

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Is this a joke? I mean he never openly said he wants to gas all blacks in a chamber but he's blatantly racist towards Blacks, didn't rent to blacks, said he didn't want blacks counting his money and much, much more racist things so yes I stand by my comment. If you're black and voted for Trump its shameful. And his stance on immigration isn't going to do anything for them. As we can all already see he lied to the people and most of what he said was a lie. The few people who will have more jobs and money at the end of his presidency will be Donald Trump and friends.

And I'm in Canada so very hard to say it to anyone's face that voted for Trump.

So those two off-hand comments are enough for you to label the ~20% of blacks that voted for him as race traitors? By your logic I should go around shaming every Albertan that voted for the Liberals since Trudeau said some dumb stuff about us.

Also my point is you would never actually say it to anyone's face even given the opportunity because it's an insulting, s####y thing to say.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

So those two off-hand comments are enough for you to label the ~20% of blacks that voted for him as race traitors? By your logic I should go around shaming every Albertan that voted for the Liberals since Trudeau said some dumb stuff about us.

Also my point is you would never actually say it to anyone's face even given the opportunity because it's an insulting, s####y thing to say.

It's much more than two off hand comments. Have you been following the election? And I never called them race traitors don't put words into my mouth. I said its shameful if anyone voted for Trump and especially if you're a monitory or a woman.

And I would say it to someone's face because obviously they didn't care when Trump said and did all these nasty things to them so why would they care if I did?

[photon]

Yesterday people get a little bit of hope when Trump says there might be some man made component to climate change.

Today Trump wants to defund NASA's earth science division, because he wants to crack down on "politicized science". Uh, if you want to crack down on science becoming politicized, then crack down on the politicization, not the science.

"Mr Trump’s decisions will be based upon solid science, not politicized science."

Bob Walker, Trump's advisor 'claimed that doubt over the role of human activity in climate change “is a view shared by half the climatologists in the world. We need good science to tell us what the reality is and science could do that if politicians didn’t interfere with it.”'

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...hange-research

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

It's much more than two off hand comments. Have you been following the election? And I never called them race traitors don't put words into my mouth. I said its shameful if anyone voted for Trump and especially if you're a monitory or a woman.

And I would say it to someone's face because obviously they didn't care when Trump said and did all these nasty things to them so why would they care if I did?

You're ashamed of people not voting for what the majority perceives as the most beneficial candidate for their group, purely on the basis on their membership in that group. That's essentially calling those people a race traitor. You're basically pissed that 30 million blacks didn't vote as one monolithic block just because of the color of their skin, while not accounting for any other factors. Can you not see how messed up that is?

[JackJack]

Originally Posted by photon

Full transcript of Trump's meeting with the NYT yesterday. People around him want to keep him from doing press conferences because without the one way street that's a rally or a youtube video it's so obvious how poorly informed he is. And when he doesn't have a script to go by he flounders.

Still reading through it, but more confirmation of what he considers credible sources of information; he talked about the Climategate emails as if they were a real thing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us...ranscript.html

Jesus. Reading Trump's answers make my brain hurt again.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Wow, are we here again? This is precisely the argument that the Christian right was making against Hitchens ten years ago. He responded, of course; this was an entire chapter of God is Not Great.

Whoa, if Hitchens said it then it must be true? He was an amazing wordsmith, but his opinions are far (FAR) from infallible.

I love Hitchens, and I'm not Christian, and not socially right-leaning. Appeal to authority doesn't really hold water here. It's not a discussion or a debate, it's what happened. Feel free to make the case that humanism was forced to evolve since rise and fall of Hitler (or that nazism distorted the intent), but it doesn't change history.

Nobody wants to be associated with nazis. But that doesn't mean they have a problem with slagging the SPL for calling attention to white nationalism and extremism as a problem, as we've just seen.

EDIT: That, or he didn't even look at the point of the post or the link itself and just had to add something negative about the SPL because... because?

[GirlySports]

Pretty convinced there are at least 8 Ben Carsons

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

You're ashamed of people not voting for what the majority perceives as the most beneficial candidate for their group, purely on the basis on their membership in that group. That's essentially calling those people a race traitor. You're basically pissed that 30 million blacks didn't vote as one monolithic block just because of the color of their skin, while not accounting for any other factors. Can you not see how messed up that is?

If they were green and Trump didn't rent to greens and didn't want greens counting his money why should a green vote for him? He obviously thinks lower of greens so yes its shameful. Can't you see how messed up that is? Let's assume you're white and living in America during the Obama election and it came out that Obama was a racist and didn't let whites rent from him and was racist towards white people, you would vote for him?

And as much as you like to deny, being black does put you in a group as soon as people in power put you in a group and don't treat you fairly and are racist towards you. So yes if I'm black and I'm feeling unfairly treated then yes I would definitely not vote for that person who is racist no matter how many jobs he promises me.

[Violator]

Originally Posted by nik-

I wish Americans knew just how much their economy wouldn't work without illegals working in restaurants and for food producers.

The companies that abuse the H-1B visas to replace staff, like Disney did with their IT, should definitely be gone after. But most of these jobs are awful and no American born citizen is clamouring to get them

It's all about the green.


Used to work for a company they had main operations in the states.it was a 3pl company doing warehouse operations for kroger Walmart and safeway
90 percent of the workforce was employed under visas.if you missed a day due to illness or injury you were fired and the visa would be torn up.couple documentaries on vice that show how greasy it gets on that country and how employment laws can be worked around.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by nik-

I wish Americans knew just how much their economy wouldn't work without illegals working in restaurants and for food producers.

The companies that abuse the H-1B visas to replace staff, like Disney did with their IT, should definitely be gone after. But most of these jobs are awful and no American born citizen is clamouring to get them

I saw a program on TV about Alabama getting rid of all of the illegals, just like all of the Conservatives want to do, and the effect it had on the agriculture industry.
First the farms couldn't hire anyone that would do that work for the money.
Next the state was going to try to make prison workers fill the jobs, and they got out into the fields and stood around, they weren't going to do physical labor, like POW's or a Gulag.
All of the crops rotted in the fields.
Alabama rescinded their decision on illegals, who came back and picked the crops and lived fairly crime free uneventful lives.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by photon

Full transcript of Trump's meeting with the NYT yesterday. People around him want to keep him from doing press conferences because without the one way street that's a rally or a youtube video it's so obvious how poorly informed he is. And when he doesn't have a script to go by he flounders.

Still reading through it, but more confirmation of what he considers credible sources of information; he talked about the Climategate emails as if they were a real thing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us...ranscript.html

Trump is not that smart. Every time I read his tweets and non scripted speeches etc. I feel embarrassed for America. It's like having a friend with an extremely dumb, drunk wife or something.