10-18-2022, 03:08 PM
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#2641
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Originally Posted by BlackArcher101
What kind of comparison is that? Those CPU's aren't considered equal to begin with?
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A really stupid comparison.
That being said, it does actually (probably unintentionally) demonstrate how in most use cases, considering the 4090 only makes sense if you're going for 4K gaming, the difference in performance between the high price components (DDR5 / top-end CPU) and the budget stuff is basically nil.
Oh good - you spent an extra $800 on a CPU and ram, not to mention the additional stuff required to support it like a better mobo and PSU, to gain yourself a whopping... 2.6% in Elden Ring and 1.8% in Cyberpunk. Good call! Definitely money well spent there!
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10-18-2022, 03:17 PM
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#2642
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by BlackArcher101
What kind of comparison is that? Those CPU's aren't considered equal to begin with?
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Ah, I just thought it was interesting. Especially if you're looking at 4K gaming and are interested seeing how CPUs are performing under those workloads when the GPU may no longer be the bottleneck.
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10-18-2022, 03:40 PM
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#2643
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I think its actual purpose is to invalidate a lot of the early testing that has been done on 4090's rather than provide any useful information to consumers in its own right about "AMD vs Intel".
Presumably a lot of testing that reviewers are doing using their own test benches is basically in contrast with a 3090 or 3080ti, and for those cards, DDR4 with a 5800x was generally good enough even at lower resolutions. But because the 4090 is capable of more, that test bench setup will lead to lowballing the 4090's capabilities in certain games. Even the 12900k is probably underselling it at 1080p for some of those titles.
Again, though, the utility of that information is questionable when you ask, "who the hell is shelling out for a 4090 to play games in 1080p or even 1440p". The answer is not very many people.
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10-18-2022, 10:27 PM
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#2644
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For me, a 4090 is a pretty perfect use for a 1440p 360hz e-sports monitor and then 4k/120hz on my TV for couch/3rd person stuff. Them PG27AQNs are out reaaaal soon...
Alternatively, I could see someone getting a 1440p 360hz monitor for e-sports, but also a 4K 120hz monitor for other games and getting separate articulating monitor arms to move them around as needed for each gametype. If you're super extra 
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10-19-2022, 09:39 AM
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#2645
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Originally Posted by PsYcNeT
For me, a 4090 is a pretty perfect use for a 1440p 360hz e-sports monitor and then 4k/120hz on my TV for couch/3rd person stuff. Them PG27AQNs are out reaaaal soon...
Alternatively, I could see someone getting a 1440p 360hz monitor for e-sports, but also a 4K 120hz monitor for other games and getting separate articulating monitor arms to move them around as needed for each gametype. If you're super extra |
I'm all for high end gaming but can you even see 360 hz?
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10-19-2022, 10:16 AM
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#2646
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Join Date: May 2004
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Originally Posted by chemgear
I'm all for high end gaming but can you even see 360 hz?
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No clue! They're not out yet 
That said, when I reformatted the other day, I jumped into a game of CS:GO and couldn't understand why my game looked/ran like such complete garbage. Everything was set properly, gsync was on, etc.
And then I realized my monitor was set to 60hz. Turning it back to 165hz was night and day, so maybe 360hz is like some holy grail stuff. Or maybe it's just a mild improvement, but frames win games in twitch shooters (which I am definitely not too old for  )
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10-19-2022, 10:50 AM
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#2647
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Oh for sure, 60 hz to 144/165 hz is a clear massive visual jump.
I'm not remotely close to pro level for twitch shooters though.
Given a choice of bandwidth and money on a monitor I would probably lean towards moving from 1440p to 4k rather than 165 hz to 360 hz. I assume hdmi can't even handle 4k at 360 hz yet.
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10-19-2022, 11:32 AM
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#2648
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I don't think the vast majority of people (99% even) can really perceive the difference between refresh rates over 100hz. However, even if you can't really see it, it does actually impact your performance at things like FPS - you're just more likely to pull off that headshot at higher refresh rates even though the difference is imperceptible.
But the people who play at that sort of competitive level are relatively few and they don't particularly care about having more pixels over 1080p generally.
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10-19-2022, 12:55 PM
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#2649
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Going from 60Hz to 120Hz was very noticeable in Windows when moving windows around. I don't know if I'd be able to tell when actually gaming. I've not played enough (or any) competitive gaming to know how much better 144Hz or greater is.
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10-19-2022, 05:20 PM
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#2650
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I have a monitor that's 4k60 right next to one that's 1440p 165hz so I have a pretty good sense of the extent to which it makes a difference, at least to me... everyone's eyes are different etc etc. In my opinion, anything above 100hz really stops being consequential to me so I tend to tune settings accordingly. In a lot of games, especially AAA titles off the consoles, 60hz is all i need.
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10-24-2022, 03:07 PM
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#2651
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Got my 4090 FE today. My sag pillar doesn't fit, and it coincides with reports of the power dongle melting if bent too much.
Soooo...until my Seasonic single cable arrives... 
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10-24-2022, 05:13 PM
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#2652
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The new goggles also do nothing.
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Nice. I was wondering if they'd have any restocks but they haven't.. no one has in Canada since last week from what I can see.
Newegg has some 4090's but they're putting them in bundles with Rosewill power supplies which I am sure are really great and will work fine.
From the bundle page:
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Newegg.ca cannot guarantee the compatibility of Combo items. Please contact the manufacturer(s) directly if you have issues or concerns regarding compatibility.
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Lul..
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10-24-2022, 06:09 PM
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#2653
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Originally Posted by photon
Nice. I was wondering if they'd have any restocks but they haven't.. no one has in Canada since last week from what I can see.
Newegg has some 4090's but they're putting them in bundles with Rosewill power supplies which I am sure are really great and will work fine.
From the bundle page:
Lul..
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Steve from GN needs to just light them up again. I hate that bundling with crap products pitch.
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10-24-2022, 06:33 PM
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#2654
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Craig McTavish' Merkin
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I'm looking to try out an ARC GPU in my Plex server. They seem like a cheap way to add quick sync on a Ryzen system.
Edit: LOL Nvidia just keeps getting worse.
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10-24-2022, 06:43 PM
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#2655
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by photon
Nice. I was wondering if they'd have any restocks but they haven't.. no one has in Canada since last week from what I can see.
Newegg has some 4090's but they're putting them in bundles with Rosewill power supplies which I am sure are really great and will work fine.
From the bundle page:
Lul..
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Restocks have been sporadic. Best Buy had several Zotacs last Friday evening but that’s it. Memory Express is taking back orders so they may be getting a few. I’m sure it’s enough to fulfill back orders as they wouldn’t want a repeat of 30XX series. Still waiting for an opportunity to get one.
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10-25-2022, 08:35 AM
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#2656
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Originally Posted by PsYcNeT
Got my 4090 FE today. My sag pillar doesn't fit, and it coincides with reports of the power dongle melting if bent too much.
Soooo...until my Seasonic single cable arrives...
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Is that a full ATX case?
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10-25-2022, 08:51 AM
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#2657
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Join Date: May 2004
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Originally Posted by chemgear
Is that a full ATX case?
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Yeah it's a Meshify 2 standard. The dongle is near impossible to bend at the 35mm CableMod recommends with the glass on lol
On the plus side, the card is quieter and cooler than a repadded 3080Ti FTW3 and not toooo much bigger
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10-25-2022, 09:43 AM
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#2658
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Hmmm, I hadn't been keeping up. So even an full sized case it gonna be an issue eh?
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10-25-2022, 09:51 AM
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#2659
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Customized right angle connectors and native 12VHPWR cables will definitely be preferable for nearly everyone yeah
One thing that can be hard to parse in photos is that the card is ~1cm taller than the standard case bracket/slot, which puts it way closer to the case than you would normally expect
Beside a MSI Ventus x3 3080Ti (with added heatsinks) for comparison:
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10-25-2022, 03:36 PM
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#2660
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Powerplay Quarterback
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It feels like Best Buy is not going to get re-stocked any time soon. I ended up calling Memory Express and backordering the Asus TUF (non-OC) as it was the cheapest one they had. The person mentioned that they've only been receiving Gigabyte cards but hopes to start seeing MSI and Asus soon (NW location). It might be a while to wait until cards start moving around. I think the 4090 FEs from Best Buy were shipped right from the factory vs being shipped by Best Buy.
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