I know a Calgary whipping boy whose advanced stats look very similar.
Who?
Not saying they don't exist, actually just curious who it is. Because the only person on this team that actually has that strong of a Corsi and xGF% are Backlund, Coleman, and Farabee.
And im not sure I'd call any of them whipping boys at this point.
In the case of Backlund he would have been at 25 - but honestly even then it was just a good way to identify people that didn't know what they were talking about, and if he's still a whipping boy now then you really know that those people have poor taste.
Just can’t see kadri waiving for Utah for a myriad of reasons. Chief being they aren’t that good this year. Attractive prospect base for sure. But don’t think it’s the right fit.
I will pick him up at the airport if he comes to Utah. I think they need Coleman and Weeger more than Kadri. But (they call him cheeks) would be good to include in the package.
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Just can’t see kadri waiving for Utah for a myriad of reasons. Chief being they aren’t that good this year. Attractive prospect base for sure. But don’t think it’s the right fit.
Kadri only has a 13 team no trade list. While I agree with you that Utah isn't a place that Kadri would waive to go to if he had full control, I also don't see Utah being on Kadri's no-trade list either with it being a list of 13 teams.
I don't think he ends up there anyway, but I actually doubt that Utah would be on his list of 13 teams, as I imagine his list is more a list of places he absolutely doesn't want to go to, as well as teams that he feels may directly trade for him, and he wants to have as much say as possible. If they were still in Arizona, then yeah, for sure Arizona would be on that list, but Utah has been improving, and look like a good young upcoming team. Probably not a destination of any kind yet, but I doubt they are included in many No-Trade lists.
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Not saying they don't exist, actually just curious who it is. Because the only person on this team that actually has that strong of a Corsi and xGF% are Backlund, Coleman, and Farabee.
And im not sure I'd call any of them whipping boys at this point.
In the case of Backlund he would have been at 25 - but honestly even then it was just a good way to identify people that didn't know what they were talking about, and if he's still a whipping boy now then you really know that those people have poor taste.
Based on the poster I assume they are referring to Huberdeau.
Speaking of our pals in Toronto, a funny sequence over the past week resulting in a spat between Treliving's Maple Leafs and The Athletic. This circus is amazing to watch.
- The Athletic notifies Treliving and the Maple Leafs of a forthcoming critical article and offers them a chance to comment. No response.
- The following day The Athletic again offers them a chance to comment. No response.
- For the third day in a row, The Athletic offers them a chance to comment. No response.
- The Athletic publishes the article.
- Treliving immediately throws a fit and calls The Athletic to defend against the content within, resulting in The Athletic publishing a follow-up Q&A with Treliving.
On the first day of June 2015, the Toronto Maple Leafs announced an unexpected hiring. Dr. Jeremy Bettle would become the team’s director of sports science and performance.
The Leafs, overseen by then-team president Brendan Shanahan, had no general manager at the time. The move was explained at the time by Kyle Dubas, one of two assistant GMs co-managing the team.
“In hiring Dr. Bettle,” Dubas said in a statement released by the team, “our sole objective is to be able to have our players know that as a program, we are doing everything we can in all aspects to optimize their performance and maximize their potential as a hockey player, regardless of what stage of their career they’re at.”
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In the 2015-16 season that followed, the Leafs lost the second-most man games in the league to injury, mostly on account of Stephane Robidas’ 73-game absence. The following season, Bettle’s second year in charge, the Leafs had the second-fewest man games lost to injury. A year later, the third-fewest in the NHL, and the year after that, the 2018-19 season, the second-fewest once more.
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Last summer, not long after Shanahan was dismissed as president, Rotenberg became the director of performance for Dubas’ Pittsburgh Penguins. The Leafs, the most valuable franchise in the NHL, did not replace him or Sachin Raina, who had the title of sports scientist and who also left to join the Penguins.
Injuries have been a major sore spot for the team this season. The relatively high age of the group and a compressed schedule due to the Olympics have both likely played a part in that. Injury levels are high across the league.
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The majority of NHL teams have some kind of performance director, a person tasked with overseeing the optimization of player performance.
The Leafs now lack anyone with such a title, though they currently employ Steven Hirsch as a sports science consultant. The team says it has also bolstered its medical and training staff in other ways this season, adding an additional assistant strength and conditioning coach, an assistant dietitian and a third assistant athletic therapist, as well as consultants in mental health and mental performance.
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The Leafs have already lost nearly 200 man games to injury this season, eighth-most in the NHL, including prolonged absences to Chris Tanev, Brandon Carlo and Anthony Stolarz as well as the first spate of injuries in William Nylander’s career.
The Leafs general manager reached out Thursday morning, as fans and league observers reacted to the story online, and said that the team, even if it hasn’t hired someone with the same title, has addressed the vacancy through the redistribution of duties and other staff additions.
“You guys get wrapped up in one guy’s fancy title,” Treliving said. “I don’t get wrapped up in titles. I get wrapped up in people doing the jobs.”
The Athletic asked Treliving and the Maple Leafs for comment multiple times over three days prior to publishing the original story, which noted the team said it had bolstered its medical and training staff through other hires this season, adding an additional assistant strength and conditioning coach, an assistant dietitian and a third assistant athletic therapist, as well as consultants in mental health and mental performance.
Treliving said Thursday morning that the Leafs “moved somebody in that role” rather than hiring a replacement at the director level for Rotenberg, who took over for Bettle in 2019.
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“We’ve brought in support people underneath” Paul Ayotte, who leads the medical staff. “I think what you’re getting lost in is you see somebody with a title and saying we didn’t replace that position.”
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Treliving believes the main cause for the Leafs’ nearly 200 man-games lost to injury is the schedule, condensed to squeeze in a break for the Olympics.
He cited leaguewide data, which he said pointed to a 42 percent increase in the number of players placed on injured reserve from the period of Oct. 1, 2025 until Jan. 28, 2026 as compared with the same period the previous season.
“It looks like there’s a lot more injuries happening in the league,” Treliving said. “The schedule plays a factor in it; not that the Maple Leafs have cut their sports science department.”
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Leafs players have expressed missing Rotenberg this season.
“Obviously a guy that I miss,” William Nylander told reporters in November after seeing Rotenberg when the Leafs faced the Penguins. “He did a lot of things behind the scenes for the players, making sure they’re feeling good and stuff. He’s for sure missed.”
Since this is just a fraction of the article, I'm wondering what was Rotenberg to the Leafs? What happened to Bettle? Is he still with the Leafs? At first I thought the Penguins took the original hires from the Leafs but I'm not sure now.
I'm going to guess that Bettle retired and Rotenberg took over which fits my uninformed understanding of this full story.
I doubt Desnoyers is available either.
I think you could get But.
Utah also has a lot of picks. They have the Rangers and the Sens 2nd round picks this year. Depending on how the Flames scouts see guys ranked 25-45 those could be valuable.
Utah’s first plus those two seconds and But could well be enough to get Kadri and Coleman in a package.
That may look like 20th, 35th and 43rd and But for those two players.
Not saying they don't exist, actually just curious who it is. Because the only person on this team that actually has that strong of a Corsi and xGF% are Backlund, Coleman, and Farabee.
And im not sure I'd call any of them whipping boys at this point.
In the case of Backlund he would have been at 25 - but honestly even then it was just a good way to identify people that didn't know what they were talking about, and if he's still a whipping boy now then you really know that those people have poor taste.
Player X has CF% in the last 3 full years of 62.1, 58.5, 55.3 (Fenwick about the same). xGF not as good though - only 2 positive out of the last 3 full season. 48.8, 53.4 and 51.
Fun fact, I have a Coleman jersey I bought for like 20 bucks last year from someone off Alberta Ave in Edmonton because her ex left a bunch of stuff in her garage.
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Since this is just a fraction of the article, I'm wondering what was Rotenberg to the Leafs? What happened to Bettle? Is he still with the Leafs? At first I thought the Penguins took the original hires from the Leafs but I'm not sure now.
I'm going to guess that Bettle retired and Rotenberg took over which fits my uninformed understanding of this full story.
I read both the articles in full. You are correct, then Rotenberg left for Pittsburgh and they didnt replace the Director of Sports Science.
It was an interesting article about how much goes on behind the scenes for teams, but there isn't really anything salacious about the article. It's really nothing. They didnt replace that title. Nettle said that could be why they have more injuries, but doesn't know the inner workings of the tean. Treliving responds that they moved several people to different roles to accomplish the same things set out in years past, and the injury increase is the condensed schedule as there is a 42% increase league wide.
Thats the summary, nothing to point and laugh at Toronto about unfortunately.
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If Conroy doesn't get the offers he should stand pat - but that won't stop the inevitable CP meltdown if he does.
Trading Kadri to help the Flame tank this year seems like a must to me. He's the only player left that can turn around a game by himself...he obviously hasn't been doing that much lately, but don't want him finding his game down the stretch.
Seems like he's most likely on the way out soon though.
The difference between the top 3 and the rest this year is substantial. Holding out for better trade value is going to hurt the team's overall assets.
Player X has CF% in the last 3 full years of 62.1, 58.5, 55.3 (Fenwick about the same). xGF not as good though - only 2 positive out of the last 3 full season. 48.8, 53.4 and 51.
I think the key difference is the GF%. The Flames put up a lot of shot volume over the last 3 years, so those Corsi stats are a bit boosted.
If it's a forward I'm not sure who it is. Are you using 5v5 numbers? At first I thought you meant Bean, but yeah I'm drawing blanks.
I think the key difference is the GF%. The Flames put up a lot of shot volume over the last 3 years, so those Corsi stats are a bit boosted.
If it's a forward I'm not sure who it is. Are you using 5v5 numbers? At first I thought you meant Bean, but yeah I'm drawing blanks.
Nope, it's Huberdeau. Which makes sense if you think through his actual game. He gets criticized for lots of things, but the reason he's a target is because his scoring is way off. But his lines usually have the puck.
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Nope, it's Huberdeau. Which makes sense if you think through his actual game. He gets criticized for lots of things, but the reason he's a target is because his scoring is way off. But his lines usually have the puck.
Huberdeau doesn't have a CF in the 60s unless you probably include the PP, which kind of defeats the point. Maybe around 52%, while having a GF% around 46%.
His line doesn't drive play nearly enough when I watch him.
Technically Friedman said they didn’t get far enough along in negotiations because Andersson said he wouldn’t waive for Detroit and that “some people” told him the Yzerman wouldn’t trade Danielson.
The first is true; the second is possibly a bargaining position. For the right player, who has term, Yzerman may move him.
I doubt Weegar gets traded if not for a 1st and a very good prospect. He has great value despite his off year.
Kadri this year with how he is playing is a must.
Coleman I feel less stressed about. He is a hard worker and I would prefer we cash in but if the value isn’t there yet, we can wait. He is a good role model
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