I'm guessing this more goes back to the Jedi and what they are.
IF the writers go back to the source material, the Jedi are a flawed organization that believe that their version of the Force and its teaching is the only one.
In the ROTS Palpatine when he was talking to Anakin summed up the Jedi perfectly.
If you look back in Legends and even in Disney EU, the Jedi started the conflict with the Sith and pretty much created the Sith through their actions.
On top of that this is an organization that basically recruits the very young, and not only brain washes them, but limits them, and seeks to suppress, not only normal emotions, like Love, hate etc, but normal things like forging attachments, and if you think about that its sick.
The Sith don't really want really young apprentices, they want older ones that have been jaded and screwed over by the world, and are captured or limited, and ex Jedi tend to be the perfect candidates as they more then anyone else would want to break their chains and be free.
So if the theory 1 is that Venestra is a Jedi, Qimir as a former Jedi might have explored the Dark Side of the Force, and was severely punished and driven out of the Jedi Order.
If she's a hidden Sith as the theory goes, then perhaps Qimir tried to over throw his master and was punished for it, and now Qimir has two enemies, a Sith Lord and the Jedi Order.
Early accounts really show the Jedi Order being quite rosy with the younglings and padawans seeming happy and cheerful. This show is darker about the history with the Jedi going around stealing children from systems they deem less civilized than them. I don’t think they touched on this from the same angle before. At least to me it seems like they’re drawing from the history of the Catholic Church and Residential schools. Qi Mir, Osha, and Mae being the survivors of that.
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Early accounts really show the Jedi Order being quite rosy with the younglings and padawans seeming happy and cheerful. This show is darker about the history with the Jedi going around stealing children from systems they deem less civilized than them. I don’t think they touched on this from the same angle before. At least to me it seems like they’re drawing from the history of the Catholic Church and Residential schools. Qi Mir, Osha, and Mae being the survivors of that.
Well of course they seem happy and cheerful, they were taken from their families as infants, raised in a privileged atmosphere of wealth, and brain washed 24 hours a day that they represented the right side of the force. Then they are sent out on missions, where they basically a free to kill with the justification that its good works.
Osha left the order, but if you look at the history of the Jedi, its rare that they leave. I mean in their thousands of years of existence only 20 Masters left the order, and what happened to them? Most of them were hunted down for what was deemed apostasy and slaughtered.
But most of these children were zombies blindly following a elitist and your right, very church philosophy.
What were Count Dooku's crimes when he left. He was tired of the corruption of the Republic, he was tired of Jedi dying for not the will of the Force, but the will of the Jedi.
I mean even when you look at the Jedi Code,
There is no emotion, there is peace.There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.There is no passion, there is serenity.There is no chaos, there is harmony.There is no death, there is the ForceIt reads like a cult manifesto, and it denies what makes people for lack of a better word human. If you look at it, its something that' literally enslaving, and Jedi Children are meant from the moment they can talk, to mumble this over and over again.
Meanwhile you look at the Sith Code
Peace is a lie. There is only Passion. Through Passion, I gain Strength. Through Strength, I gain Power. Through Power, I gain Victory. Through Victory my chains are Broken. The Force shall free me.[2]
Its a more human state, we all want to have power over our lives, and freedom to chose. Darth Bane was nothing better then a slave born into a mining family and his fate was to eventually be worked to death and die in the mines. But he became a Sith with the power of the force and he threw off his shackles, gained tremendous knowledge and was rewarded for his desire to be free.
But what about Palpatine, you'll say, he was evil, he blew up planets, and killed billions and started a war that he played both sides are. He's a example of what happens when a probably natural psychopath, has the power of the Force. What about Vader? Well look at his master, who taught him about the force.
The Sith wanted exactly what the Jedi wanted, a peaceful and orderly Galaxy, the Sith just too a more direct path to it. The Jedi allowed themselves to be corrupted on the way.
You can point to the Jedi and any religion and see the similarities. All religions want to get their members as young as possible, because its easy to brain wash them, and then as it gets older it becomes the ability to justify acts of evil and wrongness with the whole, its the will of God or Allah.
The Jedi also believe that there is a will to the force, that the force controls their destiny, which in religious terms is Gods will.
The Sith would be atheists, they know there's a god (the Force), but they believe that they can bend their god (the force) to their will and power.
The Sith also take a lot more personal responsibility, while they talk about destinies, they don't break down each individual action whether good or evil as the will of the Force. They see it as the price they have to pay to gain power over themselves, over a community, a city, a state, a planet, and eventually the whole galaxy.
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And I've been saying it forever, the Jedi are misguided villains that believe that they are the sole protectors and users of the force.
And interesting episode, not a great one, but it bridges the gap leading up to Epsiode 8.
But we saw how flawed Sol is, he is so desperate for a Padawan and that and his and his parties arrogance about their place in the force leads to tragedy, and their destruction in about 100 years.
Somehow he created a narrative from watching the ceremony after breaking into the Witches home and the use of Mae's use of the word sacrifice to jump to a conclusion basically that these witches did not have these childrens best interest at heart.
Meanwhile the other Jedi showed flaws as well. Master Indara is trapped by indecision and the need to be given orders by the Jedi Council, at the same time her Padawan is deeply flawed as he see's no value in their mission to find a Vergence in the Force (Remember this kids it goes back to the Phantam Menace).
Remember what Yoda said about adventure and excitement and that a Jedi does not crave these things.
As for the Wookie, while the other Jedi had strong enough will power to resist he was easily taken over by the Witches.
But Sol is the perpetrator of a great evil, he lept to so many conclusions that he believed no matter what he saw that the Jedi temple and his guidance was needed for the girls, and in one moment of arrogance and mistaken interpretation led to the death of the Girls mother.
So yes, the Jedi were responsible for the death of the witches, not Mae, and then the Jedi would perpetrate that lie to the Jedi Council and Osha putting the blame squarely on the shoulders of a little girl.
Master Sol is not just a flawed person and Jedi, but he's a villain, because he continued to lie to Osha long after the fact and allowed the blame to continue to fall on Mae's shoulder.
While this episode hasn't done anything to real move forward the Sith story line, it does create interesting possibilities.
Mae has been conflicted about her connection to the Sith and the Dark side, but she's driven by revenge and guilt. But what's going to happen when Osha finds out that her sister was not the killer, but was a victim of the Jedi who carried on the lie.
Its possible that we're going to get the switcheroo, and that Osha at the end of this season, series, whatever, will end up being a fully committed Sith Acolyte, and might carry out vengeance on Sol.
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Unrelated to Acolyte, but I listened to the audio book of “Death Troopers”and damn it was good. Its about a Imperial prison ship that gets stranded iin the outer rim when it’s engines fail. They detect a imperial signal and discover a derilct Star Destroyer - the Vector.
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full of zombies
Things go…poorly…from there. Boy, i’d love to see the movie of this one…
Half way through episode 7. I'm not sure I agree with their choice to show a previous episode from another perspective. The major issue issue is that the previous episode wasn't that good. So I'm basically stuck watching the same not so great episode again.
I know it's building to a big reveal, but they didn't need to reshow the entire episode 3 again.
Once again, editing and pacing choices are killing this show. There's a solid story with interesting characters under all of this, but it's hard to appreciate that with the way the show actually plays out.
Son of a . . . that's going to be stuck in my head for a long time.
I know. It popped into my head and it just won't go away.
That 'broken bridge scene' didn't help. I couldn't stop laughing.
OSHA!! The Bridge is broken!!
And its supposed to be tense and we're supposed to care about the characters but all I could think of was the 'Floor Boss' being concerned about legal repercussions when OSHA shows up.
"When was this bridge last inspected? Why did you build a bridge over this chasm? What is the regulation height of these railings? What have you anchored the bridge in to?"
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These Jedi are inept and fairly weak, it really builds the lore that leads up to their fall. Dooku was right!
We have to remember that the Jedi hadn't faced a major threat in over a thousand years. They got complacent, arrogant and wealthy, and entitled.
They also became extremely political, linking themselves heavily to the senate the point that the Jedi council itself was more worried about political power games and influence then the force.
When you take a theological organization, that can blame all their misdeeds and then combine it with political power games, you get a very dangerous organization that can excuse all kinds of evil in the name of fundementalism and perceived good deeds.
Yes, Dooku was right, and even Palpatine in his own way was right. The downfall of the Jedi was as much about the brilliant of the Grand Plan of the Sith, as it was about the Force abandoning the Jedi.
You look at what happened, the Jedi could no longer count on or use foresight, they couldn't see a Dark Force user of extreme power sitting in meetings. with them. They were literally blinded by the Force, and that wasn't due to the Sith using a spell or a power, the Force decided that it was time for reform and abandoned the Jedi to the Sith.
Then when the Jedi were suitably reduced and reformed, the Force turned on the Palpatine and the Sith, things became less clear to him, he lost his ability to use his foresight.
then after Anakin threw Palpatine down the well, and died and bought balance to the Force. It turned on both sides again, and started another Force War, and why? Because the force decided that this good side of the force and dark side of the force was pretty much bull####, and left the galaxy with essentially one Force User that was an amalgamation.
Oh just a reminder, the Jedi had it coming, in my viewpoint Anakin was right, the Jedi were evil.
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I agree, and I like how we are seeing it on screen. Though I do think the Jedi are more arrogant than evil, basically got high off their own legend and sold themselves down the river without realizing it.
I agree, and I like how we are seeing it on screen. Though I do think the Jedi are more arrogant than evil, basically got high off their own legend and sold themselves down the river without realizing it.
I'm over the top on the jedi being evil at times. But lets look at their track record.
The first Jedi Schism - A group of Jedi want to study all aspects of the force, including the dark side, the Jedi Council says absolutely not, so these renegade Jedi go, we're going to do it and found our own practice, we want to do this in peace. The Jedi response, nope, you are heritics and must die, and they fight a war of annihilation.
The second Jedi schism - A group of Jedi again go heretic, This war is more brutal as the Dark Jedi learn the secret of changing life and create jedi eating monsters to defend themselves. The Jedi go to war, annihilate most of the Dark Jedi and banish the survivors on a ship with no navigation ability. These rogue jedi eventually find the world of Korriban, and meet the Sith, and build a society and then an Empire as rulers of the Sith. They lose their way back, but are consumed with the idea of revenge on the Jedi.
The Great Hyperspace war - Sith Lord Naga Sadow finds a route back to the Republic and launches an invasion of the republic. The Jedi repell the invasion, and follow the Sith back to their space. Sadow is betrayed by his rival, and the Sith are in disarray. The Jedi convince the Republic that all Sith are evil, and they fight a war of genocide killing everything on Korriban, including woman and Children. A small group of Sith survive and flee.
Lord Kaan a former Jedi, leaves the order and takes other disgruntled Jedi with him, and forms the Brother Hood of Darkness, The Jedi instantly react to that and form the Army of Light and a horrendous War with massive civilian casualties takes place. Sith Lords and Jedi fight on planets basically destroying them and anyone caught in the middle. The Jedi who are losing the war start to hand child soldiers and Padawans light sabres and sending them off to the meat grinder. Massive armies of non force users are forcibly conscripted by both sides and billions upon billions died because of a religious war. In the end the Sith Brotherhood is destroyed by Darth Bane who inacts the rule of two and goes into hiding with his apprentice as he realizes that a Sith Army is never going to work.
The Jedi go from being generals and warlords to taking the knee and becoming subservient to the Senate and to the Republic.
There's a similar pattern here. Someone wants to practice or learn different aspects of the force. The Jedi launch wars of annihilation because in their view any force user that does not subscribe to their beliefs of the force is a dire threat that needs to die. Meanwhile the Jedi fight wars in brutal fashion against Dark Side users that ends up killing innocent civilians in huge numbers. Meanwhile Jedi decide to start training Force sensitives from the cradle and brain wash them and take away their rights as individuals then drop them into the battlefield. Civilian casualties are shrugged off in the name of the greater good.
On top of this, they eventually suborn their beliefs to the beliefs of a crumbling republic. Qui-Gon and Kenobi shrugged their shoulders in the face of slavery on Tattooine even though the Republic has anti-slavery laws, which are more suggestions we learn later. We see our current Jedi demanding the twins because its illegal for anyone to train force users but the Jedi, even though the world and the Witches are not part of the Republic.
At the same time, look at the opulence and wealth that the Jedi lived in, with the luxurious fortress temple, shiny space craft, all the Nerf Burgers they could eat, and all the money they could spend. Meanwhile we've seen the suffering on outer rim worlds and even the lower levels of Coruscant.
The Jedi are Conveniently good when they want to be politically, but their actions are literally evil.
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Half way through episode 7. I'm not sure I agree with their choice to show a previous episode from another perspective. The major issue issue is that the previous episode wasn't that good. So I'm basically stuck watching the same not so great episode again.
I know it's building to a big reveal, but they didn't need to reshow the entire episode 3 again.
Once again, editing and pacing choices are killing this show. There's a solid story with interesting characters under all of this, but it's hard to appreciate that with the way the show actually plays out.
That "big reveal" was not all that big. Kind of exactly what we expected. They absolutely did not have to show episode 3 twice, more or less in its entirety.
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The Wookie fight was cool though. I would have liked more arm ripping off though. They always said Wookies love to rip off arms.
There's a deleted scene from TFA where Chewie rips off an arm....I guess that'll do.
That "big reveal" was not all that big. Kind of exactly what we expected. They absolutely did not have to show episode 3 twice, more or less in its entirety.
Spoiler!
The Wookie fight was cool though. I would have liked more arm ripping off though. They always said Wookies love to rip off arms.
There's a deleted scene from TFA where Chewie rips off an arm....I guess that'll do.
I feel like this episode, was more about getting more Carrie Ann Moss in because people would be pissed if her whole role was a 40 second cameo in the first episode, and a couple of minutes in episode 3 where she stood around doing nothing.
And on the spoiler.
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I was expecting more brutallity out of the wookie, but instead he just looked really clumsey with the light saber.
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