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You make it sound like you go and watch every game of every prospect.
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No, I don't. I speak specifically to the ones that I have seen. You won't hear me speak about a player I haven't seen because I have no basis to form an opinion on the player. Hence no comments on European trained players outside of the top three where there is a ton of information available from multiple primary sources.
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Unless you work for a hickey club and get paid to watch hockey, I'll take the opinion of guys who actually do get paid to watch games and give opinions.
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Then why do you take the word of publications that don't meet that same standard? There is a massive difference between the professional services, which I think are great, and the bloggers services, which I despise. I get really annoyed, offended actually, when these bloggers come out and try and pass off the repetition of the professional services as their own work. And that is exactly what these guys do. They don't have the assets to pay for professional scouts. The ones that actually have regional people that watch the odd game do not have a hockey background in any shape or form. They are young inexperienced students, usually journalism students looking to develop a body of work, and don't have the understanding the development game. They will take the work of CSS, Redline, MacKenzie and Button and roll that all into a summary of a player and give the impression it is original work. The reality is that it is just a regurgitation of the same opinions we've already seen. It's called the echo chamber effect and it leads to misinformation more than it does education on the facts.
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You see. Like you get mad at anyone who doesn't have the same opinion as you and call everyone basement bloggers.
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False again. I enjoy conversation about these guys. I think it is great when two people can view the same player and come away with very different perspectives on that player, because that is exactly what happens when a group of scouts sit down and view a game. They will see some commonalities but they come away with very diverse views and opinions on specific players. This is why the NHL teams will have multiple people look at the players they are most interested in, so they can find those commonalities and get the best understanding of the player. This is why the basement blogger set drives me up the wall. They are supposed to provide another set of eyes on these players, yet their reviews sound very much like those published elsewhere. Do you know how impossible that is? If they are viewing these kids they should be coming away with a variety of opinion on players and articulate those differences accordingly. But instead we get the same basic reviews of players. This just doesn't make sense. It would be like getting 60 identical papers on an essay final in a university class. If that happened what would you think?
Now, the reason I refer to these publications, and I use that term lightly, as the basement blogger set is because that is exactly what they are. Would it surprise you that one publication is based out of a residential domicile in Grande Prairie? Would you be shocked to learn that another is based out of a 3rd floor apartment in Laval? You may think that these things don't matter, but it does, especially if
you are holding them to an expectation of having paid scouts.
I might suggest you do the same. Review your sources and get some insight where information is coming from. Don't fall into the echo chamber BS and learn to think for yourself.
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And you find it impossible for people to have different opinions?
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No, I love the different opinions. That is what makes hockey and this board so much fun. It is when there is a lack of different opinions that I begin to wonder. When we can sit and watch a Flames game and come away with 30 different opinions about how well player X played, and go into the minutia of where that player was exceptional or weak, that is what this is all about. But when we are talking about other things and people all of a sudden fall into lock step and believe in some wild concept about a consensus list of player rankings, not believing in diversity of opinion or objective thought, well that flies in the face of the point you just tried to make. I find it impossible to believe that a group this large and diverse would have the same opinion on a bunch of green, unproven players. When there is a lack of opinion like that, it is usually a result of epistemic closure more so than a constructed consensus.
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You're all over the map here, stop acting like you know everything and talking down to people who don't agree with you.
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My comments were harsh, but accurate. I appreciate the professional scouting services out there and the work their organizations do. They provide the hockey fans a great deal of quality information on the prospects. They deserve our admiration and respect because they have people that go out and see these players first hand, multiple times, and provide a great deal of information that addresses the strengths and skills of each player. These organizations are staffed with mostly hockey professionals who have played the game or coached. This is extremely important because their experience gives them insight into what players go through as they develop and they recognize when a player has reached their developmental capacity in a given area. This is why they are trusted by the professional leagues as sources of independent information.
The web publishers are sketchy and have very limited resources. So when the guy who is publishing all of this supposed primary source information steps forward and openly defends MacKenzie's list as being the most accurate, and that publication's list is consistently very similar to MacKenzie's each year, something isn't right. I'll let you draw your own conclusions, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.
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Im really not impressed with nylander at all but the fact that he's an actual RW makes me appreciate him a bit more.
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Well, welcome to the dark side. How does it feel to fly in the face of "the list," you rebel, you. I agree with you that him being a RW gives him the edge over other players in our desires of what the Flames should be picking, but there is just something about his style of play that makes me uneasy about it translating to the NHL and him having the same success. What is it about him that concerns you?
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Does anyone know if the draft lotto will be televised?
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Yes.
WHEN DOES IT HAPPEN? Saturday, April 30, 7 p.m. ET.
WHERE WILL IT TAKE PLACE? The winner will be revealed at the Hockey Central studio inside CBC headquarters in downtown Toronto.
WHERE CAN I WATCH IT? Prior to puck drop for a marquee second-round series game on CBC, starting at 7 p.m. ET.
