CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Voted:
GirlySports (9): East Coast Flame, dissentowner, Timbo, bizaro86, Hockeyguy15, devo22, Lego Man, squiggs96, Peanut
Timbo (3): GGG, mrkajz44, Oling_Roachinen
Hockeyguy15 (2): Puxlut, Party Elephant
East Coast Flame (1): GirlySports

Now on this vote Girly and ECF are confirmed town, and I know my alignment so that only leaves Timbo as possible scum. So unless Timbo is a host AND 1 or 2 of GGG, Oling and mrkajz are hosts, some/if not all the scum voted for town again even though no host was in danger of being lynched.

Again, from my point of view no hosts took the opportunity to vote for themselves this round with Timbo/Girly/ECF all being confirmed town.

There is a chance that we have 2 hosts voting with each other this round, if that's the case they more than likely were on the Girly vote.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Voted:
East Coast Flame (7): GGG, SebC, Oling_Roachinen, bizaro86, Party Elephant, devo22, Peanut
mrkajz44 (5): Hockeyguy15, squiggs96, Timbo, Lego Man, East Coast Flame
Hockeyguy15 (3): mrkajz44, dissentowner, Puxlut

Finally on vote 3 assuming the same logic before, the only unknown is mrkajz. If mrkajz is a host then that only leaves squiggs, Timbo, and Lego as possible hosts voting for their buddy.

I tend to think this vote would be least likely that scum would vote for scum because of the way it went down. I really do think that mrkajz is a host, so using that logic I would slightly lean towards squiggs, Timbo and Lego being town for now, but then that would mean that the hosts all voted for a townsperson again.

This is possibly the first time a host has voted for their own from my point of view. If that's the case the only possible people for that are squiggs or Lego voting for mrkajz.

[Hockeyguy15]

Hasn't Voted (1): Oling_Roachinen

Voted:
Starseed (6): Peanut, mrkajz44, Party Elephant, squiggs96, Puxlut, dissentowner
mrkajz44 (7): Timbo, Hockeyguy15, devo22, Starseed, SebC, GGG, bizaro86

There sure is an awful lot of town sitting on mrkajz here. From my point of view only starseed or bizaro could be a host. Looking at this it's possible that both mrkajz and starseed are both town and the hosts split their vote.

It's also possible that 1 of mrjakz and starseed is a host and there is 1 host who voted for them hoping to gain some town credibility in the event of a host card flip.

There is likely 1 turned passenger at this point, can't be me/Diss/bizaro as GGG checked us after this vote happened and we are not turned.

[Hockeyguy15]

Hasn't voted (1): devo22

devo22 (6): Oling_Roachinen, starseed, Puxlut, GGG, Party Elephant, mrkajz44
mrkajz44 (3): Hockeyguy15, dissentowner, Timbo
Party Elephant (2): squiggs96, bizaro86
squiggs96 (1): SebC
Oling_Roachinen (1): Peanut

Almost all the town from last round ditch the mrkajz vote, only Timbo and I remain from the previous day.

Playing the odds it's more likely the hosts voted to save mrkajz last round as most of the votes on starseed are unknown people.

There is possibly 2 infected now, or 1 infected and 1 not infected. Most likely Seb was infected the previous day, and possibly devo was given the spore on night 4 and not infected. The captain kills Seb to get the spore back. The infected cannot be me or Diss, as we are still clear from GGG.

[Hockeyguy15]

Hasn't Voted (1): starseed

Timbo (7): Oling_Roachinen, dissentowner, Party Elephant, bizaro86, mrkajz44, Peanut, Timbo
Peanut (3): GGG, Hockeyguy15, squiggs96
Party Elephant (1): Puxlut

Unless squiggs is a host, all the hosts and infected voted for Timbo.

Seb is dead, devo probably had the spore when he was lynched so then we hopefully only have 1 turned at the most (assuming devo had the spore when we lynched) with the possibility of no turned.

[Hockeyguy15]

To clarify the above, at the time of the Timbo lynch it was possible there was no turned but that isn't true today because I think everyone has checked in.

So today we are sitting at 1 turned for sure, possibly 2.

Thanks for coming forward GGG. Hopefully you haven't been turned and are giving us bad info (DTA )
My top 3 right now are Biz, Peanut and Party. I think Oling was turned.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Hockeyguy15, if it's 6-5, even if we lynch a host or scum it's 6-4. A spore conversion would make it 5-5 and we lose.

Not only do we need to find out who is host, we need to find out who is turned to give GGG a chance to prevent that possibility. I do not believe you are host, but as a target for the spore you're a great choice. A strong player who isn't in much trouble of getting lynched. I wanted your thoughts on Squiggs96's newest mistake because I feel it was far more blatant than Dissentowner's which makes more sense to make if he was town, not host.

Squiggs96 had more information than us yesterday, he was right that the host killed SebC (if he's town, great for thinking outside the box and being right about that) but he also knew that Party Elephant, Peanut and Dissentowner were not going to reveal they had the spore because he didn't leave that as a possibility. As a townie I take special note of when going into the day about whether the spore is being revealed, Squiggs96 took it as a foregone conclusion that it wasn't going to be revealed.

Party Elephant and Peanut, being my other 2 suspects for hosts, I could see them talking in the host thread and Squiggs96 seeing all the townies (except Dissentowner) had posted decided it was time to post his 4 possibilities. You "know" no host took the opportunity to vote for anyone but town on the first day. A Party Elephant, Peanut and Squiggs96 combination would be two newbies and a person I do not think has experience being host. They may have played it more cautiously.

Day 1:
Squiggs - ActiveStick (town)
Party Elephant - GirlySports (town)
Peanut - East Coast Flame (town)

All different townies, no connection to one another.

Day 2:
Squiggs96 - GirlySports
Peanut - GirlySports
Party Elephant - Hockeyguy15

Squiggs96 and Peanut were the last votes on GirlySports. They may have been hesitant in removing the spore from the game but decided it was better to blend in with the majority.

Day 3:
Squiggs96: Mrkajz44
Peanut: East Coast Flame
Party Elephant: East Coast Flame

Squiggs96 took every opportunity to announce he tried to save East Coast Flame, tried to tell us that we should look at who East Coast Flame trusted (i.e. a better way of saying looking at who he didn't). East Coast Flame was concerned about the 'townies', Puxlut, SebC, and myself as well as bizaro86 following along. Knowing I am town, knowing SebC was not turned at the time and knowing Puxlut is the Genetic Anomaly (something squiggs96 had made a couple posts saying we should not entirely trust her). Puxlut is an interesting problem for the host. They can't kill her, but they also can't allow the town to have a confirmed town so easily, Squiggs96 has taken opportunities to leech off other people's doubts.

Day 4:
Squiggs96: Starseed
Peanut: Starseed
Party Elephant: Starseed

The only time they voted together. It lead to a tie. Squiggs96 unvoted for mrkajz44 after his death post, and more importantly after Puxlut did the same. It was no risk. If the vote shifts to Starseed, Mrkajz44 is already lined up for the next vote and with Puxlut being the first unvote there is no blame to pass around. From my perspective, no one could have anticipated a tie, but the only day these guys vote together is the day that was most damaging to the town is not a coincidence.

Day 5:
Party Elephant: Devo22
Squiggs96: Party Elephant
Peanut: Oling_Roachinen

Squiggs96 votes for Party Elephant, but not with a ton of commitment in my opinion. The heat is on Squiggs96 so they finally try to separate themselves from one another. Party Elephant "only" votes Devo22 to prevent a tie and puts blame on bizaro86 for his unvote. If they were going to lose the spore, passing blame to Bizaro86 for unvoting is a good consolation prize.

Peanut jumped on me for this post:

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I think I would prefer voting for PE over Mrkajz44.

But Devo22, Peanut, Squiggs96 and Bizaro86 are probably higher on my list then either.

I think a shift to Devo22 could make for an interesting day.

I say I would prefer Party Elephant over Mrkajz44, Devo22 likely had the spore at the time, and Peanut and Squiggs96 are named. It's the first time that anyone really picks up Squiggs96 battle and she does it by twisting my words. I said I wasn't confident that Squiggs96 was host, at one point, but that doesn't mean he isn't highest on my list.

Day 7:
Peanut: Timbo
Party Elephant: Timbo
Squiggs96: Peanut

Squiggs96, despite Peanut going for me, votes her. The heat has been on him for awhile, I'm not the only person voting for him at this point. It's at a point where they needed to separate themselves but as Squiggs96 points out, it's not going to actually lynch her:

Originally Posted by squiggs96

unvote
vote Peanut

I'm not going to leave my vote as a lame duck on mrkajz, even though I feel the vote for him or Oling is better. I will vote against their choice today.


Vote Count

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 4 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn't Voted (1): starseed

Timbo (5): Oling_Roachinen, dissentowner, Party Elephant, bizaro86, mrkajz
Peanut (4): GGG, Timbo, Hockeyguy15, squiggs96
Party Elephant (2): Puxlut, Peanut

I don't see this going well for Timbo though. Peanut will unvote and put it on Timbo making it 6-4. If Pux and starseed both vote for Peanut, it's a tie. I'm not sure what happens in a 6-6 tie.

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I feel like you both have a history together and sometimes you both let that history influence your thoughts on each other.

What history is this? Squiggs96 may have had an issue with me, but it was nothing of note for me. I tried to piss off everyone and was happy when they did. I have no history with squiggs96 and you know it.

[starseed]

I agree with peanut and PE, but I feel like mrkaj is the third rather than squiggs. I'll look into it again tonight and finalize my list.

[Hockeyguy15]

I want to go over your post a little more before I comment on it, so don't take this as me blowing you off.

What is your take on squiggs continuing to be actively posting/pushing theories, and exposing himself to mistakes and scrutiny compared to mrkajz who basically seems like he has shut it down and has done very little especially recently?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I want to go over your post a little more before I comment on it, so don't take this as me blowing you off.

What is your take on squiggs continuing to be actively posting/pushing theories, and exposing himself to mistakes and scrutiny compared to mrkajz who basically seems like he has shut it down and has done very little especially recently?

Perhaps Mrkajz44 was turned lately? Forced to work with himself or 1 person without having all the information, staying quiet makes a lot of sense.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I want to go over your post a little more before I comment on it, so don't take this as me blowing you off.

What is your take on squiggs continuing to be actively posting/pushing theories, and exposing himself to mistakes and scrutiny compared to mrkajz who basically seems like he has shut it down and has done very little especially recently?

Not addressed to me, but whether mrkajz is town or scum, I can see how he'd be a little gun shy after nearly getting voted out over and over again. He's probably either taking heat in the scum thread or hoping not to be the townie who was suspicious enough to get voted out on a potential lynch-or-lose day.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I get that not everyone has posted on Day 7, but I figured if you were a passenger that received the spore on Night 6 and then sent it somewhere, you'd want to make some time to come back here and let us know what happened. This leads me to believe I might be correct that Seb was killed by the Captain to regain the spore.

There's something I'm not getting. How does no on revealing they had the spore confirm to Squiggs96 that SebC was killed by the host? Yes he was right, but what's the exact line of thinking.

If no one reveals, all we can say is that a turned was very likely made (or the host received the spore from a turned). It shouldn't have increased or decreased the chances that the Captain killed SebC. Someone, anyone, explain the logic to me. I don't want to hear Squiggs96 say "I was right," I don't care if he was right, I want to know how he arrived at his conclusion. I do not see a connection with no one revealing and SebC being killed by the host.

Maybe I'm not thinking this through but he might as well had said "If it rains today, 6+4 is 10." You might be right about your last statement, but I don't know how come raining had anything to do with it.

Follows it up with:

Originally Posted by squiggs96

To follow up on the previous post. I have a suspicion some of the Agent reveal talk was to ensure the town thought the Agent was still town. If the Captain killed Seb it might have been to help convince us the Agent is still on our side when it might not be the case.

No surprise here, just like he's done with Puxlut, he's casting doubt on the Government Agent. He knows that town knows we're in a possible lynch or lose scenario, he knows we're getting a reveal. Better strike first and hope that not everyone is convinced that the Government Agent is still town.

[squiggs96]

Oling, it must be exhausting making up all of this. I commend your commitment to the cause. The nice thing about being town, is I don't have to manufacture or make things up.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I say I would prefer Party Elephant over Mrkajz44, Devo22 likely had the spore at the time, and Peanut and Squiggs96 are named. It's the first time that anyone really picks up Squiggs96 battle and she does it by twisting my words. I said I wasn't confident that Squiggs96 was host, at one point, but that doesn't mean he isn't highest on my list.

This is easily the funniest thing you've said all game. It's not even close. Peanut is twisting your words? Hahaha. You are the master of this. Now you are trying to blame someone else for this. Here are your quotes:

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

At this point I'm not even a little bit confident you're scum, but out of principle I'll have to vote for you for the remainder of the game if you don't attempt to answer my questions.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I think I would prefer voting for PE over Mrkajz44.

But Devo22, Peanut, Squiggs96 and Bizaro86 are probably higher on my list then either.

I think a shift to Devo22 could make for an interesting day.

You said you're not even a little bit confident I'm scum. Not even a little bit. That means zero. You have zero confidence I'm scum, but are voting out of principle because I won't dance like a monkey for you.

Then you say that devo, Peanut, myself and bizaro are higher on your list than PE or mrkajz. So I go from not even a little bit, to higher than other people. Peanut's not twisting anything. I'm not twisting anything. Those are your words. If you have zero confidence someone is a host, how can they be your top suspect?

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Day 7:
Peanut: Timbo
Party Elephant: Timbo
Squiggs96: Peanut

Squiggs96, despite Peanut going for me, votes her. The heat has been on him for awhile, I'm not the only person voting for him at this point. It's at a point where they needed to separate themselves but as Squiggs96 points out, it's not going to actually lynch her:

This is a false representation of what was going on at that time. At that point you weren't voting for me. mrkajz was voting for me, possibly because I was voting for him. The other vote on me was from GGG. You were voting Timbo

When I voted Peanut the following was going on:

• I moved my vote at the urging of GGG
• When I moved my vote to Peanut, both Timbo and I were voting for mrkajz
• My vote was to save Timbo
• I had voted for you earlier in the day. Peanut wouldn't join me.
• Timbo and I were like minded in that we thought mrkajz was a host and we also think you, Oling, are a host, and we are both town. You were quick to point out our connection, but have refused to talk about it since he was lynched. This doesn't surprise me. You get all upset, throw a temper tantrum, and vote on principle when people don't comment on your stuff, but you conveniently ignore statements and questions from others if they don't suit your rhetoric. It amuses me.
• Peanut was voting for Party Elephant. She was not voting for you. Her vote had been on PE for over 48 hours. I believe the PE vote was her first vote of the game day, and she switched to Timbo to save herself. Peanut voted for you the previous day. On Day 6 she changed her tune once I started voting for you and said I looked suspicious.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Vote: Timbo

We got to hit scum.

I don't like that Timbo downplayed the pros (and I realize there are cons as well) of a Government Agent reveal to just being the source of SebC.

I don't like that he said if Squiggs96 flips town, he would go after me (I'm sure a lot of people would) but saying it to set up the next lynch when the scum are almost certainly within 2 lynches of a win (possibly 1).

I don't like his vote for mrkajz44. I think mrkajz44 is town, but an easy enough person to target because he's been saved or whatever without drawing a target.

I don't like that he pushed suspicion on Party Elephant and/or Peanut for being newbies but playing differently.

I don't like him accusing Hockeyguy15 of a weak rice paper allegation against Squiggs96.

I don't like him putting Starseed not in my group for the GA reveal when Starseed was leaning towards reveal. Seemed like a way to isolate me and make it look worse then it was.

I don't like him considering the reveal a transgression when we're possibly at a lynch or lose situation.

I don't like that he hasn't really discussed the lynch or lose situation at all.

I don't like that I think the host are comfortable just hoping this day plays out how it is.

I want to focus on your last comment here.

You say you think the hosts are happy to continue the day as is. At the time PE had four votes, I had three votes and Peanut had one vote. If you think we three are the hosts, then 8 out of 12 votes are on us. Your vote went to a lone person, who ended up being a dead townie, lynched because of you. If you think the hosts were happy to let the day continue, why would they be happy if the top two vote getters were hosts? This is a serious flaw in your logic. Here's the vote count after your Timbo vote:

Hasn't Voted (1): Hockeyguy15

squiggs96 (3): Party Elephant, mrkajz44, starseed
Party Elephant (4): Puxlut, bizaro86, dissentowner, peanut
mrkajz44 (1): Timbo
Oling_Roachinen (1): squiggs96
Peanut (1): GGG
Timbo (1): Oling_Roachinen

If you think PE, Peanut and I are the hosts, why would we be happy to have the day play out, and one of PE or I get lynched? That makes absolutely no sense. None.

[mrkajz44]

I am just checking in here on my abbreviated lunch at work. The last few days of any month are bad for me, especially June. I should have the rush over by mid-afternoon and should be able to put together a better post.

I am not turned, nor am I gun-shy. Just busy at work for the past few days.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

This is a false representation of what was going on at that time.

No, I wasn't taking a snapshot. Others had voted for you throughout the day, the heat was on you even if the vote wasn't.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

No surprise here, just like he's done with Puxlut, he's casting doubt on the Government Agent. He knows that town knows we're in a possible lynch or lose scenario, he knows we're getting a reveal. Better strike first and hope that not everyone is convinced that the Government Agent is still town.

I am not casting doubt on the Agent. I am casting doubt on why you want the Agent to reveal. I felt you were trying to get the Agent to reveal for your own benefit, not the town's benefit. I still think you didn't get the spore on Night 0, or that you are a host and had it passed to you by a fellow host. I don't think that theory is too far fetched, especially given that I was right about the Captain killing Seb.

I also enjoy how during your attack on me about why I didn't put Seb on my list, that you continue to say I called you and Pux confirmed townies. Now in this post you say I casted doubt on Pux. You can't have it both ways.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I want to focus on your last comment here.

You say you think the hosts are happy to continue the day as is. At the time PE had four votes, I had three votes and Peanut had one vote. If you think we three are the hosts, then 8 out of 12 votes are on us. Your vote went to a lone person, who ended up being a dead townie, lynched because of you. If you think the hosts were happy to let the day continue, why would they be happy if the top two vote getters were hosts? This is a serious flaw in your logic.

Yes, I was wrong with my logic. I do not have the luxury of foresight, I don't know who is town or who is host like you do. It was actually the opposite, that there wasn't an out for you guys so you couldn't all vote together and couldn't get anything going. My vote for Timbo probably saved one of you three and possibly cost the town the game.

Today you opened up differently and quickly, all 3 of you come out and vote or mention your suspicion of me. If it's lynch or lose, all you need is 1 person to agree.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I also enjoy how during your attack on me about why I didn't put Seb on my list, that you continue to say I called you and Pux confirmed townies. Now in this post you say I casted doubt on Pux. You can't have it both ways.

Yes I can. Because you did.

There are multiple posts, posts I've quoted numerous times, where you do both. Which in itself is suspicious.