[News] UPD: Schwindt claimed by VGK. Pelletier and Cooley clear waivers

[Paulie Walnuts]

Lazar got a 2nd. We could probably get a pick for him if he isn’t in the plans.

What does keeping Hanley on the roster accomplish ?

[Ped]

The Flames probably feel its safer to try and get Pelletier through waivers when there are 70 other players on waivers, and teams have mostly set their rosters. Hanley can clear anytime.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I’d prefer that over waiving him and keeping Hanley on the roster yes.

I have a feeling that keeping Hanley and signing Barrie are pointing to Andersson leaving. Not sure why else you keep 8 D unless you’re worried some of the young additions like Bean aren’t going to cut it.

Hard to tell on that one. Doesn’t make a lot of sense otherwise.

Or maybe they want the pressbox guys to be league min journeymen who don’t have much more upside.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Quick explain always earned never given for Hanley.

If Pelletier was a shutdown D then maybe Hanley does get waived...

They fill totally different roles.

Also, the idea is it's a calculated risk to waive and demote Pelletier so that he can get top line minutes and develop in the AHL after his injury, rather than stay up and stagnate his development by letting him sit all year in the press box.

Unless you were thinking of just handing him top-9 minutes in the NHL even though he's done nothing to earn them.

Nobody cares if Hanley eats popcorn in the press box for 82 games and cover for emergencies.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by CroCop

That comparison was out there when we drafted him. Mainly SN as I recall but I think I remember Tre using it in his talk about the player after the draft too. In any case it was pretty lofty expectation for the kid.

I dunno.

Seems to me if Brad Marchand was in fact a comparable, it would have been discussed much more frequently and this is the first I’ve heard of it. Specifically related to Treliving/the Flames. It makes no sense, at all, for a hockey executive to make that kind of comparison to an 18 year old. Especially given Brad Marchand at that time was at the top of his game. Pelletier was a 26OA pick. I guess it depends on the context but I don’t recall Trelivi g or any Flames executives making these types of comparisons. Did they say Jusso Valamaki was just like Drew Doughty?

Sport dt, sure, but that’s their job.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Hanley will still be a top 11 dman in the organization by Christmas. Just makes sense. This generations Grossman.

Yeesh. He’s not that bad. I’m better than Grossman.

[Matty81]

Yeah keeping Hanley is very confusing, that is a player with almost no value to the club from an asset perspective. Only thing I can think is that they want a spot to pick up a player on waivers themselves and are just using him to hold the spot. Though we could still waive Rooney if a young centre is made available.

Expect there will be a bunch of 23/24 year olds with some upside hitting the wire in the next week.

Pelletier could sneak through for sure, a winger and with his track record is only going to be enticing to a rebuilding team that's actually committed to the rebuild and OK taking some losses.

Hopefully they don't lose him, he looked like a very good player at the NHL level before he got hurt.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by NewFan

Is it Pelletier's best chance to become the Canadian as soon as possible. May be he knew Montreal will claim him from waivers, and used it perfectly. May be Conroy and Pelletier's agent agreed about that.

If any team wants him on their main roster getting waived is actually a good opportunity for Pelletier.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Lazar got a 2nd. We could probably get a pick for him if he isn’t in the plans.

What does keeping Hanley on the roster accomplish ?

Hanley is going to be a healthy scratch for the majority of the season. Keeping him on the roster accomplishes the following: allows younger players to play and develop in the AHL rather than sit in the pressbox all season, and to cover for emergencies in a pinch. Hanley is perfect in that role, Pelletier isn't.

Only 19 players are on the ice for any given game, plus a backup goalie, so 20 players in total, even though teams have 23-man rosters. Hanley fills one of the roster spots 21-23.

[Rhett44]

What an overreaction by some people on here. Hanley can sit and eat popcorn, and fill in for injuries.

Pelletier did not earn a roster spot. Should we just give players top 6 spots simply because of their draft position?

And I have never seen anything to suggest he's going to be anything more than a depth fill in piece for some team at best over his career. Sorry, seems like a nice guy but he is not a good hockey player right now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Hanley is going to be a healthy scratch for the majority of the season. Keeping him on the roster accomplishes the following: allows younger players to play and develop in the AHL rather than sit in the pressbox all season, and to cover for emergencies in a pinch. Hanley is perfect in that role, Pelletier isn't.

Only 19 players are on the ice for any given game, plus a backup goalie, so 20 players in total, even though teams have 23-man rosters. Hanley fills one of the roster spots 21-23.

So why is Honzek up ? He needs to play.

I’d rather have Pelletier as a 4th liner.

We already have a 7th D ahead of Hanley.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I have a feeling that keeping Hanley and signing Barrie are pointing to Andersson leaving. Not sure why else you keep 8 D unless you’re worried some of the young additions like Bean aren’t going to cut it.

Hard to tell on that one. Doesn’t make a lot of sense otherwise.

Or maybe they want the pressbox guys to be league min journeymen who don’t have much more upside.

Yeah I love Anderson but smart move is trade him with his good contract before you have be the team that pays him 7-9m for the next 6-8.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So why is Honzek up ? He needs to play.

I’d rather have Pelletier as a 4th liner.

We already have a 7th D ahead of Hanley.

If Yegor is injured then Honzek gets an audition in the top 6

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So why is Honzek up ? He needs to play.

I’d rather have Pelletier as a 4th liner.

We already have a 7th D ahead of Hanley.

We have much players much better suited to a 4th liner role.

Honzek will get his chance to play. I think he starts on the top 9 opening night. He has earned it.

[ah123]

Nvm

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FleeceGang

Isn't this ambiguous especially if Zary and Pospisil are slated to be (or are being tried as) centers? Additionally, Pelts is known to play a solid 200ft game, he isn't necessarily a scoring winger. Half of the players listed (minus Klapka, Stromgren, and maybe Zary and Pospisil) are considered scoring wingers, or at the very least offensive wingers. Having a balance of player types is important to team construction. Do we want to end up like Edmonton where all we focus on is offense? A goal prevented = a goal for, and you need responsible low event players to help achieve that to some extent. Pelts fits into the backlund/coleman architype of players responsible in their own zone that play with a bit of a snarl. To me, you need those kind of players sprinkled throughout the line up, not everyone needs to be a high flying scorer.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out but to claim that Pelts has been passed strictly based on "nhl games played" especially after two seasons derailed by injury (especially since he was penciled into the line up last season but lost the season in the first preseason game) seems an aggressive stance to take.

First, I never made any claims about NHL games played, I said the listed players are (arguably) more valuable.

As for the ambiguity, I disagree. I said there are 8 winger spots, because they are somewhat interchangeable a d I didn't want to pigeonhole Pelletier into too narrow a role. Bottom line is players have passed him

[Lewis_D]

Well I know many here were hopeful the tandem to start the season would be Wolf & Cooley (myself included) but this is was expected. I'm optimistic he'll clear, not so much with Pelts.

[howard_the_duck]

A really disappointing result all around. A letdown of a camp yet again for Pelletier and IMO poor asset management on the part of the front office. If we were competing for a playoff spot this sits better with me, but at the early part of a rebuild these are the types of young players I’d like to see room made for, especially for a player who’s habitually had poor starts thus far in his career.

[Burning Beard]

Not sure how it's a big shock trying to sneak an underperforming and small player through waivers on the busiest waiver day of the year. I'm glad that Conroy is giving the players who showed up a chance first.

[MrMike]

Cooley was a nice dude, Vladar had way more potential.
Cooley was brought in to give competition and in case Vladars injury/surgery affected him.

Insurance and that’s all it was.