[PGT] There was a 4-1 hockey game I guess

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

He is making $3.5 million more than Sharangovich?

Sorry you are correct, they would have been about 1.2 million over the cap. Of course they thought they would have Kylington so that adds another 1.8 million, so they would have been 3 million over the cap.

[Jimdon]

Sharangovic was a scratched player for the devils last year when the games really mattered. Could have probably picked him up on waivers. Give me a comparable, when was the last time a team traded their leading scorer for a third and a throw in?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Sharangovic makes 3.1mln and Toffolli makes 4.25. So they saved $1.15mln there, so your math is not correct.

It was not a cap issue for this season.

My math is correct. If you add 1.15 million to a team that has zero dollars in cap space they would have been over the cap. Since you think they should have kept Toffoli who should they have traded in the off-season? Or should they have been over the cap? They also thought they would have had Kylington so that adds another 1.8 million or so, so they would have been about 3 million over the cap.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Sorry you are correct, they would have been about 1.2 million over the cap.

They have $700k in cap space right now and that is with three goalies up. And we have $2.5mln we can exceed the cap by with Kylington's salary.

Cap was tight but we would not be over.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

They have $700k in cap space right now and that is with three goalies up. And we have $2.5mln we can exceed the cap by with Kylington's salary.

Cap was tight but we would not be over.

they expected Kylington to play...you can't assume LTIR

its one less 20s player on the roster

[Strange Brew]

It wasn't much of a return for Toffoli, but at least we have one player I'm not afraid to watch during a shootout.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No, it is absolutely ridiculous to think an elite player suddenly fell off a cliff and forgot how to play hockey when he hasn't been able to put it together in the SAME stupid perimeter low danger no traffic bull#### this team has been playing for two years now. You're right though, Huberdeau is a terrible player, Kadri is a terrible player, Mangiapane completely forgot how to score, Dube after showing promise just stalked out for no reason in this system, all these skilled players became terrible all at once, it has nothing to do with the system at all. Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

All of those players except for Huberdeau, have at least played like NHL players at some point under this supposed terrible system. Still waiting on your boy Huberdeau to do anything more than tie his skates as a Calgary Flame.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

My math is correct. If you add 1.15 million to a team that has zero dollars in cap space they would have been over the cap. Since you think they should have kept Toffoli who should they have traded in the off-season? Or should they have been over the cap? They also thought they would have had Kylington so that adds another 1.8 million or so, so they would have been about 3 million over the cap.

I think you are confused about how he cap works. Currently the Flames have $700k in cap space and that includes Kylington's $2.5m. Since he is on LTIR they could exceed the cap by his $2.5m, so they actually have 3.2mln in cap space available right now.

If Kylington played it would have been tight, but other moves could have been made.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

Sharangovic was a scratched player for the devils last year when the games really mattered. Could have probably picked him up on waivers. Give me a comparable, when was the last time a team traded their leading scorer for a third and a throw in?

He was scratched because they picked up Meier and didn't want to mess with the rest of the team. He wasn't scratched because he was a terrible player.

He was never going on waivers.

[dino7c]

Reily Smith was traded for less this past summer

Nobody wanted to give Toffoli and extension so the price is basically a one year rental...limited market

he was the leading scorer but is no spring chicken and not the fastest guy out there. Despite his hot start the Devil's haven't extended him and I doubt they do unless its short term

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

They have $700k in cap space right now and that is with three goalies up. And we have $2.5mln we can exceed the cap by with Kylington's salary.

Cap was tight but we would not be over.

That is incorrect.

The Flames are currently spending 47.788 million on forwards, 25.525 on defence and 8.2 million on goalies not including wolf. That puts them at 81.513. Since management assumed they were going to have Kylington you can add 1.738 to that number, bringing the cap hit to 82.891 If you had Toffoli instead of Yegor the cap hit would be 84.041 for a 22 man roster, putting them 500K over the cap. Assuming they have a 23 man roster like most teams, in the Toffoli world they would have been about 1.5 million over.

Now I guess they could have assume that they would not have Kylington, and that Rooney would get injured as well miraculously to save that cap hit and that they could have ran a 22 man roster and been ever so slight lu under the cap. But that is a lot of things that need to go right to keep Toffoli.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

He was scratched because they picked up Meier and didn't want to mess with the rest of the team. He wasn't scratched because he was a terrible player.

He was never going on waivers.

He was scratched because the coach didn't believe he made them better. In a series where they were getting beat handily no less.

Say what you want about him, but he can play up and down the lineup. The fact they didn't use him on any line obviously means something.

The Flames saw something the Devils didn't. I hope they're right.

[dino7c]

Bennett was a healthy scratch

lots of guys get scratched and do well elsewhere

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by dino7c

they expected Kylington to play...you can't assume LTIR

its one less 20s player on the roster

They have three goalies counted toward the cap right now (I think, not sure about emergency recall), so you would have to take off $800k (Wolf) and 800k (Gilbert) and add in 2.5mil for Kylington.

$1.6mln for two players + 700k in cap space = 2.3m. so $200k over give or take. Likely down a full forward for a bit or someone like Dube or Vladar would have been traded.

Again, Flames traded their leading scorers for an underwhelming return was a bad move.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I can't judge Conroy yet but my God did he drop the ball on Brunette. Guy coaches your new star to a 115 point season, had just came in and saved Lindy Ruffs job as an assistant coach turning that Devil's team around, players absolutely love the guy, and you don't offer him the job?? It was the biggest no brainer ever

Might have been vetoed by Murray ("No Rebuild / Let's Extend Darryl") Edwards.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

They have three goalies counted toward the cap right now (I think, not sure about emergency recall), so you would have to take off $800k (Wolf) and 800k (Gilbert) and add in 2.5mil for Kylington.

$1.6mln for two players + 700k in cap space = 2.3m. so $200k over give or take. Likely down a full forward for a bit or someone like Dube or Vladar would have been traded.

Again, Flames traded their leading scorers for an underwhelming return was a bad move.

Better than signing him

It's also hard to say if there would have been a better deal

[Calgary4LIfe]

Talking about whether Huska is a good coach or not is a bit confusing to me.



Do we have a good team here? Do we believe that Sutter was really a terrible coach (ignoring his coaching record) and think that Huska was somehow going to turn this team into a well-oiled machine?


This is what I more or less expected. I absolutely did vote: "Win the cup this year" since that's what I always pick in such polls, but I have wanted a rebuild for a couple of years now because I don't think this team has 'got it'. This is what it looks like when a team doesn't have it - they don't look like a really good functional group.


They are a mish-mash of parts. That's what it is. Gaudreau-Monahan-Tkachuk-Bennett-Brodie-Giordano-Backlund ---- That was a good core that needed MORE pieces and a bit more time. Hartley had a tonne of warts, but he was a great development coach. Didn't like him, that's fine. The priority should have been to find an experienced coach to guide that team up the hill and make sure all the pieces are being properly developed, and continue drafting a core. The work was incomplete. It stayed incomplete.



Now you have a mish-mash of parts. Huberdeau is on his second bad season. Most of the lines don't show chemistry. The PP is terrible even though Marc Savard is in charge of it. The breakout is bad. Defending is bad. Goaltending is often spotty (but better than last season!!). The offensive game is lacking.



This is a small, soft, and complete mish-mash of pieces that don't fit, but we are going to point the finger at Huska? I don't get it. I think if you brought Scotty Bowman in his prime to coach this team, or Al Arbour, or anyone you want past or present, they would probably get more out of this roster, but it still wouldn't be a great team. It would continue being a bubble team - maybe they squeak in, maybe they just miss like last season, but this team on paper is not a good team.


This collection of players that they have just doesn't work. It doesn't mean that this collection of players all suck. It just doesn't work and will never work. I don't blame Huska one bit. I don't blame Conroy either. I blame Treliving for assembling this, and I blame the players themselves the most for being more concerned about their paydays than they are about winning hockey games.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

That is incorrect.

The Flames are currently spending 47.788 million on forwards, 25.525 on defence and 8.2 million on goalies not including wolf. That puts them at 81.513. Since management assumed they were going to have Kylington you can add 1.738 to that number, bringing the cap hit to 82.891 If you had Toffoli instead of Yegor the cap hit would be 84.041 for a 22 man roster, putting them 500K over the cap. Assuming they have a 23 man roster like most teams, in the Toffoli world they would have been about 1.5 million over.

Now I guess they could have assume that they would not have Kylington, and that Rooney would get injured as well miraculously to save that cap hit and that they could have ran a 22 man roster and been ever so slight lu under the cap. But that is a lot of things that need to go right to keep Toffoli.

I must be reading this incorrectly then. Regardless, I'm sticking with they should have traded someone other than their leading scorer.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I must be reading this incorrectly then. Regardless, I'm sticking with they should have traded someone other than their leading scorer.

So if they kept him they would have what? one more win right now? two?

he would still be a UFA you have to move

it would be different if it was a 24 year old leading scorer

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I must be reading this incorrectly then. Regardless, I'm sticking with they should have traded someone other than their leading scorer.

And do what? Have another sulking player on this team?

Toffoli asked for an extension, didn't get it, so he asked for a trade. Didn't want to bs around and be around a team that he knows he'd only be there for 60 more games and then traded at the deadline. He wanted to move on so we had to go with a deal that the market was giving out at the time.