[Signing] Flames sign Monahan (7 yrs, $6.375 mil AAV)

[Northendzone]

So why did treliving not lock him down for the 20 then? Those long term deals almost always work out.....

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Gonna be 50 myself when this contract ends.

Was thinking similar thoughts of how you age over 7 years. Then thought, won't have that money either.

[drewtastic]

[Dajazz]

Fair deal for both sides.

[dying4acup]

How is this thread not 40pages?

This is the biggest longest contract in Flames history. Sure it might be beat tomorrow (hopefully tomorrow!)

I think that Eric Francis is right (question my sanity...) when he says that this is the safest bet in the history of the Flames. I can't see Mony underperforming this contract. Even if Johnny signed the exact equal, it would be a bigger risk.

That said, NO RISK, NO REWARD!

[getbak]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Is this a real quote?! If so that's awesome

Yes. He was thinking back to when he first walked into the room and didn't know anyone. He looked around the room and saw Stajan. He said he was a big fan of Stajan's when he was a kid and Stajan played for the Leafs (Monahan was 9 when Stajan played his first full season in the NHL).

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Gonna be 50 myself when this contract ends.

Ha, you're old... Waitaminute ... Seven years? That means ... Expires in 2023 ... AWW, DAMMIT!!!

[Babby Daddy]

I'm so happy about this signing.

[innercliff]

Mony, Mony is in the Money, Money.... great news!!
one more to go.....

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

some lockout protection in 2020 with the $3.5 million signing bonus.

That signing bonus will get paid out even if there is a lockout.

With all this talk about "buying" UFA years, its interesting that those years are the cheapest on the deal.

[Fire]

Solid contract that aligns with the other comparable contracts. Surprised this one took so long to get done. Just Treliving doing his due diligence I suppose but it was risky when Monahan was open to offer sheets.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

With all this talk about "buying" UFA years, its interesting that those years are the cheapest on the deal.

The money has just been shifted about to make it more equal throughout but the Flames certainly paid more for UFA years. Without those years no way does Monahan make 6.5 in the next two seasons.

[ricardodw]

What are the Flames paying for Monahan's UFA years?

The going rate for a 21 year old star player coming off ELC would be set by Hurbedeau's 3.25 M x 2. This is what the Flames could get away with if they were not worried about good will. After that 2 year deal then Monahan is a RFA with arbitration rights.

Similar to Hurbedeau there are not a lot of teams that would make a offer sheet that would likely be matched.

Hard to say what an arbitration would come up as the closest precedence would be Marcus Johanasson who was awarded 3.9M coming off a 20 goal 47 pts seasons

Monahan should/would have better numbers than that if he stays as the Flames #1C and is not passed by Bennett in the next 2 years. But say he would be awarded 6M x 2 .

That would give the Flames 4 years of Monahan services for 18.5 M

That leaves the 3 UFA years the Flames have on this contract for 26.125 or 8.7 x 3. currently tied for #6 spot cap hit with Crosby for forwards just a bit more than Stamkos just signed for last month as a UFA.

The Flames benefit by averaging out the cap hit and reducing it over the last 3 years by 2.4M /year.

They take on the risk that Monahan might not become a Stamkos/Crosby/Kopitar/Getzlaff/Perry kind of player that would be an 8.7 x 3 kind of UFA signing.


It just seems that as soon as the lock out finishes the GMs (and Agents) start working on how to spend more money and extend the cap and don't take advantage of the tools they bargained for.

What are the odds that Monahan is a 8.7 M UFA in 4 seasons?


The extra year that the Flames got over Barkov's contract cost 9.225M

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

What are the Flames paying for Monahan's UFA years?

The going rate for a 21 year old star player coming off ELC would be set by Hurbedeau's 3.25 M x 2. This is what the Flames could get away with if they were not worried about good will. After that 2 year deal then Monahan is a RFA with arbitration rights.

Similar to Hurbedeau there are not a lot of teams that would make a offer sheet that would likely be matched.

Hard to say what an arbitration would come up as the closest precedence would be Marcus Johanasson who was awarded 3.9M coming off a 20 goal 47 pts seasons

Monahan should/would have better numbers than that if he stays as the Flames #1C and is not passed by Bennett in the next 2 years. But say he would be awarded 6M x 2 .

That would give the Flames 4 years of Monahan services for 18.5 M

That leaves the 3 UFA years the Flames have on this contract for 26.125 or 8.7 x 3. currently tied for #6 spot cap hit with Crosby for forwards just a bit more than Stamkos just signed for last month as a UFA.

The Flames benefit by averaging out the cap hit and reducing it over the last 3 years by 2.4M /year.

They take on the risk that Monahan might not become a Stamkos/Crosby/Kopitar/Getzlaff/Perry kind of player that would be an 8.7 x 3 kind of UFA signing.


It just seems that as soon as the lock out finishes the GMs (and Agents) start working on how to spend more money and extend the cap and don't take advantage of the tools they bargained for.

What are the odds that Monahan is a 8.7 M UFA in 4 seasons?


The extra year that the Flames got over Barkov's contract cost 9.225M

Your numbers are all either too high or too low.

[Vinny01]

I like the contract but it is not a huge steal by any means. 7 years is acceptable but I would have preferred going the full 8. Also $6.375 is a fine cap number but hoped for a bit of wizardry from Treliving. All in all this is a fair contract for both sides and I am glad that we have Monahan locked up until he is 28.

Really hoping the Flames are able to get Johnny the full 8 but I have a feeling he is going to get just shy of the Gio cap hit for 6 years

[Robbob]

If you think the bridge would only cost 3.25M I think you are wrong. I don't think Huberdeau is a comparible. A two year bridge would be closer to 4M - 5M.

[bax]

Also, Marcus Johansson is not even close to being a comparable to Monahan

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Never heard Huberdeau, a playmaking winger, compared to Monahan before.

[blender]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

What are the Flames paying for Monahan's UFA years?

The going rate for a 21 year old star player coming off ELC would be set by Hurbedeau's 3.25 M x 2. This is what the Flames could get away with if they were not worried about good will. After that 2 year deal then Monahan is a RFA with arbitration rights.

Similar to Hurbedeau there are not a lot of teams that would make a offer sheet that would likely be matched.

Hard to say what an arbitration would come up as the closest precedence would be Marcus Johanasson who was awarded 3.9M coming off a 20 goal 47 pts seasons

Monahan should/would have better numbers than that if he stays as the Flames #1C and is not passed by Bennett in the next 2 years. But say he would be awarded 6M x 2 .

That would give the Flames 4 years of Monahan services for 18.5 M

That leaves the 3 UFA years the Flames have on this contract for 26.125 or 8.7 x 3. currently tied for #6 spot cap hit with Crosby for forwards just a bit more than Stamkos just signed for last month as a UFA.

The Flames benefit by averaging out the cap hit and reducing it over the last 3 years by 2.4M /year.

They take on the risk that Monahan might not become a Stamkos/Crosby/Kopitar/Getzlaff/Perry kind of player that would be an 8.7 x 3 kind of UFA signing.


It just seems that as soon as the lock out finishes the GMs (and Agents) start working on how to spend more money and extend the cap and don't take advantage of the tools they bargained for.

What are the odds that Monahan is a 8.7 M UFA in 4 seasons?


The extra year that the Flames got over Barkov's contract cost 9.225M

You have a valid point, but the big difference is that the elite UFAs are not signing 8.7x3 deals. They are signing 8.5 x 8. The Flames are getting the best of both worlds with this deal. His next deal is the one that could really hurt the team that signs it. This one is safe IMO.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I like the contract but it is not a huge steal by any means. 7 years is acceptable but I would have preferred going the full 8. Also $6.375 is a fine cap number but hoped for a bit of wizardry from Treliving. All in all this is a fair contract for both sides and I am glad that we have Monahan locked up until he is 28.

Really hoping the Flames are able to get Johnny the full 8 but I have a feeling he is going to get just shy of the Gio cap hit for 6 years

One should probably never compare salary and contracts with the Oilers but he only making $375,000 more than RNH and Eberle. That's some decent value.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

One should probably never compare salary and contracts with the Oilers but he only making $375,000 more than RNH and Eberle. That's some decent value.

The value is decent certainly not an overpay by the Flames but right in line with the market. I would be happier if the Flames got that cap hit with the extra year but this is a fair contract for both sides based off the very recent comparables of Barkov, MacKinnon, Schiefele, Forsberg