02-10-2016, 10:40 PM
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#241
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by BigTuna
Never said he was overpaid. Not once. His salary was horribly exaggerated. I love the made-up quotes you guys attribute to me.
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So he deserves to be the 7th highest paid D-Man in the league?
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02-10-2016, 11:21 PM
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#242
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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According to Tuna, Phaneuf is as good as other $7M guys like Letang.
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02-10-2016, 11:31 PM
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#243
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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02-10-2016, 11:31 PM
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#244
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
A prospect and a second is what you get for a pure rental, not what a guy under contract gets you. It's roughly what Calgary got for Glencross. The Leafs screwed the pooch with that contract.
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Dave Nonis screwed it up, and I have to imagine that played a large role as to why he's not in charge there anymore.
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02-11-2016, 02:18 AM
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#245
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God of Hating Twitter
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I'm still so curious if Dion was the rumored toxic player in the flames dressing room before he was traded.
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02-11-2016, 03:51 AM
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#246
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Powerplay Quarterback
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So Tuna, according to you he's not overpaid, fully deserving of his salary meaning he's on par with Doughty who also makes 7M a year, better than Karlsson making 6.5M a year who leads the East in scoring. And yet a player of his caliber returns a bunch of spare parts and a 2nd rounder?
Need I remind you Glencross, who couldn't even crack the Leafs roster this season, alone netted the Flames a 2nd and 3rd.
Either Phaneuf is overpaid or Leafs made a bad trade. Pick one or the other but you can't claim both.
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02-11-2016, 06:21 AM
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#247
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Powerplay Quarterback
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/p...was-happening/
For everything that is said and thought of Phaneuf, I can appreciate how far he has come in how he carries himself. This interview with Friedman gives an example of how he has matured as a person since his time with the Flames.
I will be the first person to admit I was completely enamoured by him when he was drafted and entered the league, only to have that shine wear off with his off ice attitude and overrated game. If he were a 5 million dollar defenceman, I think most would be a lot less hard on him now, as it would probably slot him in as a 3/4 defenceman, and not the 1/2 that the Leafs were playing him.
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02-11-2016, 01:40 PM
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#249
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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Originally Posted by t0rrent98
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Did you read the quotes?
And the name of the web site?
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02-11-2016, 01:41 PM
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#250
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Ontario
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Originally Posted by t0rrent98
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Before anyone was able to post a tweet about it... they got a quote from Sekera, photoshopped Dion in Oilers gear and wrote a 627 word article on it?
...yeah, it's fake.
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02-11-2016, 02:32 PM
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#251
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sector 7-G
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Oilers logo is a dead giveaway, as well as the Toronto logo on the helmet.
But the webpage is a red flag.
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02-11-2016, 02:44 PM
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#252
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: DeWinton
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02-11-2016, 05:10 PM
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#253
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Point Blank
So Tuna, according to you he's not overpaid, fully deserving of his salary meaning he's on par with Doughty who also makes 7M a year, better than Karlsson making 6.5M a year who leads the East in scoring. And yet a player of his caliber returns a bunch of spare parts and a 2nd rounder?
Need I remind you Glencross, who couldn't even crack the Leafs roster this season, alone netted the Flames a 2nd and 3rd.
Either Phaneuf is overpaid or Leafs made a bad trade. Pick one or the other but you can't claim both.
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Yeah and Jeff Petry makes 5.5 million and Subban 9 million. You can use all kinds of examples to try to justify a salary.
The fact is for a guy with Dion's numbers over the past decade who has been UFA eligible, the contract is not that bad.
Now he's in Ottawa you'll hear nothing about his salary. When's the last time someone mentioned David Clarkson's salary?
And who cares about Glencross? It's a cap era. The deal had to include other pieces to work for a 7 million salary. Glencross was cheap.
Your examples are absurd. Ottawa got Karlsson at a cheap rate because he was so young and never been UFA. Klinberg makes 4.25 million for the next 6 years. Why not use him as an example too? All these guys signed deals during different times in their careers and with different caps. If Montreal signed Subban long term instead of the stupid "Bridge" contract, he likely makes 6-7 million now.
Last edited by BigTuna; 02-11-2016 at 05:12 PM.
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02-11-2016, 05:12 PM
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#254
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Thor
I'm still so curious if Dion was the rumored toxic player in the flames dressing room before he was traded.
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Rumour has it that the music is the Ottawa dressing room has been turned way up
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02-11-2016, 05:13 PM
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#255
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
Yeah and Jeff Petry makes 5.5 million and Subban 9 million. You can use all kinds of examples to try to justify a salary.
The fact is for a guy with Dion's numbers over the past decade who has been UFA eligible, the contract is not that bad.
Now he's in Ottawa you'll hear nothing about his salary. When's the last time someone mentioned David Clarkson's salary?
And who cares about Glencross? It's a cap era. The deal had to include other pieces to work for a 7 million salary. Glencross was cheap.
Your examples are absurd. Ottawa got Karlsson at a cheap rate because he was so young and never been UFA. Klinberg makes 4.25 million for the next 6 years. Why not use him as an example too? All these guys signed deals during different times in their careers and with different caps. If Montreal signed Subban long term instead of the stupid "Bridge" contract, he likely makes 6-7 million now.
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I can't figure out what point your trying to make
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02-11-2016, 05:15 PM
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#256
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by powderjunkie
So he deserves to be the 7th highest paid D-Man in the league?
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Sure why not?
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02-11-2016, 05:15 PM
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#257
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by nik-
Rumour has it that the music is the Ottawa dressing room has been turned way up
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Funny you say that because I always pictured Iginla back in the day turning down the music while Jbo quietly read in the corner. Seemed like the most boring locker room in the league to be a part of.
Last edited by Hackey; 02-11-2016 at 05:23 PM.
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02-11-2016, 05:15 PM
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#258
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Originally Posted by Split98
I can't figure out what point your trying to make
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The "Examples" were terrible.
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02-11-2016, 05:20 PM
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#259
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by fleury
I'd argue it doesn't matter that the Leafs are winning it now, at the time it wasn't forseeable they'd win it and they gave him away. Kapanen is small but skilled and has shown nothing at the NHL level. Harrington? Let me know when he does anything in the majors. The Leafs gave away a 40 goal scorer because he was perceived to be a bad teammate. It hasn't worked out yet in Pittsburgh, but his elite goalscoring didn't grow on trees. The organization really handled the PR side of things well through selling the "cancer in the locker room" angle.
I guess you don't remember last year when Dion was at a lower point and guys like Bob MacKenzie saying that despite all of us thinking Phaneuf's contract was untradable, there were several teams who would take him in a hockey deal? Again, the Leafs PR team working OT and the fan base licking it up. The Leafs dumped a contract but got nothing in return.
I'd fully agree the Clarkson one was a miracle. He didn't deserve it to begin with and dealing that was a total dump. The guy had no value and wasn't a reclamation project. It's a different situation though. Kessel was a 40 goal scorer with a perceived attitude. Phaneuf is a #2-3 d-man overpaid by a couple million. Phaneuf has an upside if put in the right situation. If he's paired with a responsible two way d-man I do think he could be effective, and I think that's what Ottawa's banking on.
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What point is this? "It Doesn't Matter if The Leafs Are Winning the Trade Now? Of course it does! The Leafs made the trade for the future not the present. How is getting a potential mid first rounder, another first rounder in Kapanen and Harrington "Giving" Kessel away?
And isn't it funny that only now to make your point, Kessel is a 40 goal scorer.
And yes, goal scorers presently like Kessel DO grow on trees. Over 81 games in 2015', Kessel scored 17 goals. His offence is completely disappearing. Leafs win the trade.
And to correct you The Boston Bruins and their media created the "Cancer in the Locker Room". Not the Leafs or their media.
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02-11-2016, 06:01 PM
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#260
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Point Blank
So Tuna, according to you he's not overpaid, fully deserving of his salary meaning he's on par with Doughty who also makes 7M a year, better than Karlsson making 6.5M a year who leads the East in scoring. And yet a player of his caliber returns a bunch of spare parts and a 2nd rounder?
Need I remind you Glencross, who couldn't even crack the Leafs roster this season, alone netted the Flames a 2nd and 3rd.
Either Phaneuf is overpaid or Leafs made a bad trade. Pick one or the other but you can't claim both.
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My point exactly. $7mm is a top pair, all-star worthy player. Is Phaneuf that? If so, why was the return so pedestrian? The Sens by all accounts were desperate to rid themselves of Cowen and Greening. Michalek? Meh.
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