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Old 07-11-2013, 10:53 AM   #241
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Where does Vlad the Impaler weigh in on this?
Don't know much about criminal procedure. Usually, if it's stayed, that's the end of it.
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:25 PM   #242
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I think I was able to decipher most of that.

It doesn't sound to me like it was only a little innocent bar fight. Sounds to me like Ferland went way overboard and will be looking at jail time if he is found guilty.
Actually it sounds exactly like every single bar fight that happens on the street after closing time...
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Old 07-11-2013, 01:31 PM   #243
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Actually it sounds exactly like every single bar fight that happens on the street after closing time...
Yeah, I'm actually a little surprised that this is going the distance...

A judge and jury trial? Over a bar fight? I forget the specifics, but was one party badly hurt?
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:10 PM   #244
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Aggravated assault is an indictable offence. A person charged with an indictable offence may elect how they will be tried:
  1. trial by a provincial court judge;
  2. trial by a superior court judge with a judge and jury, with a preliminary inquiry;
  3. trial by a superior court judge with a judge alone, with a preliminary inquiry;
  4. trial by a superior court judge with a judge and jury, without a preliminary inquiry; or,
  5. trial by a superior court judge with a judge alone, without a preliminary inquiry.
Ferland clearly elected to by tried by a provincial court justice. However, with the personal consent of the Attorney General, the Crown has the authority to prefer a direct indictment, which essentially puts the charge before a Superior Court Justice regardless of whether the accused elected to be tried before a provincial court justice or whether the accused elected to have a preliminary inquiry and the preliminary inquiry was not held.

It is usually only used when the accused has elected to have a preliminary inquiry and the Crown is concerned that this will cause enough delay to infringe the accused's s. 11(b) right to be tried in a reasonable time (and therefore enable the accused to apply for a judicial stay the charge.) In this case, there is clearly no such concern so it seems unusual.

In any event, it doesn't make any sense to me that the Herald is reporting that the charges were stayed. I suspect that it is a mistake on their part.
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:28 PM   #245
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Yeah, I'm actually a little surprised that this is going the distance...

A judge and jury trial? Over a bar fight? I forget the specifics, but was one party badly hurt?
I think it was mentioned earlier that there was a broken occipital bone. If that's the case, then this was a pretty serious fight. A fracture of the occipital bone is a rare occurrence in boxing and MMA. It can be a life threatening injury and patients are usually under observation for 48 hours.

If there was indeed a fracture, it would have to be a heavy blow to the head.

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Old 07-11-2013, 02:52 PM   #246
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Yeah, I'm actually a little surprised that this is going the distance...

A judge and jury trial? Over a bar fight? I forget the specifics, but was one party badly hurt?
I am sorry to say that I was involved in a couple of these court cases as a witness...and there were relatively serious injuries.

Extremely hard to prosecute when everyone involved, including witnesses, are drunk. Worse case will be a slap on the wrist....no matter what happened. In one I was a drunk witness (I was young), the other's I was a sober employee who helped confirm that everyone was an idiot.

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Old 07-19-2013, 08:34 PM   #247
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http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/07/19...t-in-june-2014

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Old 07-19-2013, 08:46 PM   #248
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Jesus, what a ridiculously prolonged process.
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